Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:40 pm
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Not particularly, but I know he's helping to organize the nexus tournament. He's the moderator of the match I'm in, and has done a good job organizing and dealing with it (and the dropouts). So I'm inferring from those interactions.
Kitsune, I think you should be looking for good reasons to make a vote. Voting for damo because you have to vote and you think making the vote won't result in a lynch looks scummy, though I'm going to wait and see how you turn out.Kitsune wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:59 amI checked before I asked, hah.1. All players must vote at least once per game day, and post at least twice per game day.
And I found it.
Okay based on the fact that:
1. I have to vote for someone
2. I don’t know enough to point the finger with intent to kill
3. I don’t like the finger being pointed at me for being “too new” or whatever that means
4. I’m reasonably sure it won’t actually get him lynched
##vote damo666
Because I don't like hypocrisy. Calling out lurkers when your are also a lurker doesn't seems right. Not necessarily scummy, to be honest.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:40 pmI'm always going on about lurkers. It's the only reason Jamiet likes me, I think.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:38 pmSays the guy with 7 posts, and 3 were on last 15 minutes. Will not say you are garbage but this post stinks.
Why did you react the way you did, Rdrivera?
The votes seem to change pretty quickly based on what I've seen so far. I'm voting no lynch until I have a good reason. And it's pretty hard to have a good reason when all the references people make are to old games and old styles of play.foodcoats wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:43 pmKitsune, I think you should be looking for good reasons to make a vote. Voting for damo because you have to vote and you think making the vote won't result in a lynch looks scummy, though I'm going to wait and see how you turn out.Kitsune wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:59 amI checked before I asked, hah.1. All players must vote at least once per game day, and post at least twice per game day.
And I found it.
Okay based on the fact that:
1. I have to vote for someone
2. I don’t know enough to point the finger with intent to kill
3. I don’t like the finger being pointed at me for being “too new” or whatever that means
4. I’m reasonably sure it won’t actually get him lynched
##vote damo666
In a similar vein I don't like that BunnyGo voted NoLynch, but as has been pointed out, this is a super incestuous meta and I'm not going to tunnel you two just because I don't know you. But I do think you should be looking for reasons to vote that aren't "this won't make a lynch." This helps everyone shape an idea about you. If you're town, that is how town acts. Avoiding being involved in the investigation is scummy.
Anyone who wants to read me at this point, can. I was pretty up front about it.foodcoats wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:43 pmKitsune, I think you should be looking for good reasons to make a vote. Voting for damo because you have to vote and you think making the vote won't result in a lynch looks scummy, though I'm going to wait and see how you turn out.Kitsune wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:59 amI checked before I asked, hah.1. All players must vote at least once per game day, and post at least twice per game day.
And I found it.
Okay based on the fact that:
1. I have to vote for someone
2. I don’t know enough to point the finger with intent to kill
3. I don’t like the finger being pointed at me for being “too new” or whatever that means
4. I’m reasonably sure it won’t actually get him lynched
##vote damo666
In a similar vein I don't like that BunnyGo voted NoLynch, but as has been pointed out, this is a super incestuous meta and I'm not going to tunnel you two just because I don't know you. But I do think you should be looking for reasons to vote that aren't "this won't make a lynch." This helps everyone shape an idea about you. If you're town, that is how town acts. Avoiding being involved in the investigation is scummy.
I think you are
I go back and forth on it. I think that drawing the Day 1 lynch from the lowest quarter of posters has good odds of hitting scum (or at least incentivizes them to show up so we can find them)—better odds than town naturally finding scum through its usual fumbling, anyway.
This is the first post all game I've really liked.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:46 pmI go back and forth on it. I think that drawing the Day 1 lynch from the lowest quarter of posters has good odds of hitting scum (or at least incentivizes them to show up so we can find them)—better odds than town naturally finding scum through its usual fumbling, anyway.
But that will never actually happen, because not enough players would ever submit their egos to an actual process when their ids are screaming "IF WE JUST SHOUT LOUD ENOUGH ABOUT OUR GUT INSTINCTS, WE'LL WIN, RIGHT GUYS!"
I mean, I get that. And certainly you can use it to criticize me. But the point itself, that we should be looking at lurkers, is valuable on its own. Additionally, it raises the question: would scum-Foxcastle be so foolish as to call out lurkers and then simply stop at his own name? (The evidence is vanished, but that's what I did.)rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:44 pmBecause I don't like hypocrisy. Calling out lurkers when your are also a lurker doesn't seems right. Not necessarily scummy, to be honest.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:40 pmI'm always going on about lurkers. It's the only reason Jamiet likes me, I think.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:38 pm
Says the guy with 7 posts, and 3 were on last 15 minutes. Will not say you are garbage but this post stinks.
Why did you react the way you did, Rdrivera?
I agree with this. What seems to happen is that we get set to lynch a lurker and then something bananas happens and a high poster gets lynched instead. I have been involved in this collective insanity myself...
Unvoting is also not great.Kitsune wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:49 pmFootcoats… I'm not going to get away with abstaining until I have a clearer picture on who I actually suspect, am I? I missed that NoLynch was an option, but if my confusion is interfering with the investigation then I guess I'll step up.
##unvote damo666
*proceeds to read through 16 pages of chatter*
actually I was having similar thoughts. Rdrivera's entrance and subsequent posts felt so gutsy. I imagine he was posting them while riding a horse on a beach
This is actually a very valid point. I'm still pretty new here but I've assimilated enough that I am now doing the thing I hated only a few games ago. I should probably not do that. As Neph pointed out it actually makes it very hard for new players to enjoy the game.
Hah, okay. Perhaps the fact that I don't feel as good about rdr suggests they ARE town this time.Vaporwave wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:55 pmactually I was having similar thoughts. Rdrivera's entrance and subsequent posts felt so gutsy. I imagine he was posting them while riding a horse on a beach
Power!Bravery!And a sense of justice, instinctively I wanted to pick up my town rivera box but thankfully I stopped myself in time because I recalled how greatly he deceived me last game
Were I scum, I'd just forget and play like town. It's not that hard...that said, when you play f2f there's no scum chat. So I have no idea how that changes the game.foodcoats wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:58 pmThis is actually a very valid point. I'm still pretty new here but I've assimilated enough that I am now doing the thing I hated only a few games ago. I should probably not do that. As Neph pointed out it actually makes it very hard for new players to enjoy the game.
If I cast my mind out back to the thread, and I use the two heuristics that scum try to push agendas and/or try to be passively active or "blendy," and I focus on just stuff within this game - and this is off my memory of my reading the past hour, so more high level intuition than specifics - the pushiest player so far feels like brainbomb, and the most passive-active feels like Maniac.
To choose between them... brainbomb has a big meta advantage because of their play style. Scum tends not to NK brain, so scum!brain could merge into town for a long time without an investigation.
##VOTE brainbomb