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brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:48 pm

##CALL GM:

If I scan the Universal Backup, and they have assumed the role of Jailor, does my scan return the result "Jailor" or "Universal Backup"?

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:09 pm

Vote Count Day 4.3


No‑Lynch (4) LordQuas worcej Nephthys Jamiet99uk
LordQuas (2) damo666 DemonRHK
damo666 (1) Foxcastle
Foxcastle (1) bozotheclown

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worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 pm

In the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.

Just to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).

Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1

All of these results still allow us to win.

If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1

Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.

I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

LordQuas wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:14 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:08 pm

LordQuas wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:04 pm

and the sk killed a confirmed town? scum doesn't even want to hit SK with the NK as it removes their kill for the night. Still doesn't explain why they would jail foxc instead of you either

What was your theory? You post a lot.

fair, Foxc is SK, blind claimed doc to try and save himself d1 (it makes it even more likely in that he might not have known scum got fake claims, I haven't actually gone back to check if he knew this or not but whatever it's not vital). He wouldn't have the opportunity to do something right away, it's a good fake claim honestly

Scum then believes he's doctor, doc happens to not be one of their fake claims or the role they randed, so what else could he be? They try to get him MLed for several days straight as hell, a town doctor ML? That's sick!

But they don't, and the first doctor heal comes around, and oh shit the role cop claimed, but they can't kill him, they kill the next best thing, the mason, instead

Foxc though, he needs a reason why he wasn't able to visit in case of a watcher, and to set up the idea that there's a JK out there somewhere, so he claims jailed

Sick play huh

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:21 pm

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to [save] same person the next night?

no

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 pm

##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:21 pm

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to [save] same person the next night?

no

But now:

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

These two rulings conflict each other.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:16 pm

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

##CALL GM

One page 108 you gave the opposite ruling with regard to the Doctor.

Can you 100% confirm that you are now over-ruling your previous response?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:16 pm

The role document says the doctor can't protect the same player two days in a row, but it does not say the jailor can't jail the same player two days in a row, but Foxcastle stated it as a fact.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:28 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 pm

##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:22 pm

no

But now:

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

These two rulings conflict each other.

If jailed you were rolestopped Jamie. you never got to save the target. you may attempt again as you never got off attempt 1. this is basic logic

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:31 pm

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:28 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 pm

##CALL GM

Just to be clear what is confusing me about your conflicting rulings:





But now:




These two rulings conflict each other.

If jailed you were rolestopped Jamie. you never got to save the target. you may attempt again as you never got off attempt 1. this is basic logic

Right, but you can surely see that, when Netphys asked you that question the first time, you gave the opposite response?

The two rulings did conflict each other. Just making that clear.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:21 pm

##Call GM , could a jailed doctor attempt to same person the next night?

no

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:12 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 pm

In the way that I feel strongly Damo is scum and I would like to lynch him. I note your argument. I need a think. There is time.

Just to help, since you are confirmed town, there is no way D5 heads to town being a minority if we no lynch. (note: I don't count the SK for or against the town, since they are personally motivated).

Assuming a No lynch happens into N4, it's still 5-3-1 going into N4.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 4-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 5-2-1

All of these results still allow us to win.

If we mislynch now on D4, it's 4-3-1 going into N4. This makes the 4 options above become this:
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a town, we are at 2-3-1 - we have effectively lost.
If the NK hits a town and the SK hits a scum, we are at 3-2-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a town, we are at 3-3-1
If the NK hits the SK and the SK hits a scum, we are at 4-2-1

Obviously, if we hit a scum now it's 5-2-1 into night, which is the best situation for us, but it's still a gamble. I don't like our situation with Foxcastle, who I agree could be the SK but I think that would be a weird way to play it, which would be putting possibly two towns up for lynch today. Then again, he could also be telling the truth and then there is for sure a scum in Lord and Damo.

I like letting scum and the SK lower our pool of lynch targets lower for D5, which would possibly provide some clarity on who the scum and SK are for us to get.

The cases where the NK hits the SK should be 4-3-0, 5-2-0, 3-3-0, 4-2-0. 3-3-0 is also a loss.

I am not sure a no lynch buys us much, either we are reducing the lynch pool for the SK, or the SK is reducing the lynch pool for us. However, I do not think it hurts us to let the SK go first.

##VOTE No Lynch