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Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:42 pm
by kgray
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:37 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:33 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:25 pm
It feels you dont have a lot to contribute Kgray. 2 walls with mainly things that have been said before.
C'mon, keep convincing me im making the right choice here
Yes, it feels this way to me too.... I have reread and those are the things I think are important, so I'm trying to figure out what they mean. I keep getting stuck second-guessing everything.
For example, I think Bunny is scum and you're town. I don't see a reason to change my reads drastically just because Tom was the last NK, because from my perspective that just makes it less likely that Bunny isn't scum. I agree with what you said about not wanting to go against my game-long reads in the last day. But I can also see exactly why scum!Vecna would kill Tom and keep Bunny and I around, and further why you'd want me agreeing with that sentiment.
I would have never ever killed Bozo though if I was scum. He wouldve been a guaranteed player to keep around to lynch Bunny.
Maybe... But more guaranteed than me? Scum!Vecna's options, if you were trying to mislynch Bunny, are 2 kills out of Tom/bozo/me. I'd been advocating hardest that Bunny is scum, and bozo's really great at solving. So I don't know that I believe you'd never ever kill bozo if you're scum.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
by BunnyGo
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:29 pm
So @either of you what is town!Bunny doing and thinking? Put yourself in town!Bunny shoes and try to think about why I’m talking like this.
Yeah, I've already noted that you seem to be open minded and questioning. That could certainly come from town!Bunny trying to figure out the game.
Could also come from scum!Bunny trying to figure out which of Vecna or I is more likely to vote for the other.
Bunny is a gamer at heart. And Bunny is focusing in my lessons with swordsman on listening more. But more fundamentally, at my core I recognize positions where I cannot win.
In particular I cannot win if the other town votes on me. No matter what.
So my goal here, is to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve spent the past few days pointing out how towny I am. I’ve noted the scummy aspects of both of you. I’ve gone out of my way to listen. To solve. To think. But most importantly, to simply scream that I’m Town.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
by kgray
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 pm
There were more on Tom at the time, but it didn’t seem likely they could get away with that one.
When damo voted for you D3? He moved off of Tom, so without damo's vote it was one on Tom, one on you. But yeah, Tom wasn't a likely lynch ever, I don't think.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:44 pm
by BunnyGo
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:41 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:34 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:33 pm
Bunny, youre still taking like youre trying to convince Kgray that im scum in a lot of your posts.
Ill say this though: In the event that you are town and I am currently voting wrong, that is the wrong tree youre ritualistically barking at.
It is I you will have to convince if youre town
Exactly. How can Town!bunny win here? I have TWO major hurdles to clear. What are they?
You have to convince me youre town and you have to make sure that im not scum
Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to do with every post.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:44 pm
by BunnyGo
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 pm
There were more on Tom at the time, but it didn’t seem likely they could get away with that one.
When damo voted for you D3? He moved off of Tom, so without damo's vote it was one on Tom, one on you. But yeah, Tom wasn't a likely lynch ever, I don't think.
Right.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:47 pm
by kgray
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:29 pm
So @either of you what is town!Bunny doing and thinking? Put yourself in town!Bunny shoes and try to think about why I’m talking like this.
Yeah, I've already noted that you seem to be open minded and questioning. That could certainly come from town!Bunny trying to figure out the game.
Could also come from scum!Bunny trying to figure out which of Vecna or I is more likely to vote for the other.
Bunny is a gamer at heart. And Bunny is focusing in my lessons with swordsman on listening more. But more fundamentally, at my core I recognize positions where I cannot win.
In particular I cannot win if the other town votes on me. No matter what.
So my goal here, is to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve spent the past few days pointing out how towny I am. I’ve noted the scummy aspects of both of you. I’ve gone out of my way to listen. To solve. To think. But most importantly, to simply scream that I’m Town.
Fair enough Bunny, but if you're scum then all you have to do is make sure one of town!Vecna or town!kgray votes for the other, and you can hop onto the wagon.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:51 pm
by BunnyGo
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:47 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 pm
Yeah, I've already noted that you seem to be open minded and questioning. That could certainly come from town!Bunny trying to figure out the game.
Could also come from scum!Bunny trying to figure out which of Vecna or I is more likely to vote for the other.
Bunny is a gamer at heart. And Bunny is focusing in my lessons with swordsman on listening more. But more fundamentally, at my core I recognize positions where I cannot win.
In particular I cannot win if the other town votes on me. No matter what.
So my goal here, is to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve spent the past few days pointing out how towny I am. I’ve noted the scummy aspects of both of you. I’ve gone out of my way to listen. To solve. To think. But most importantly, to simply scream that I’m Town.
Fair enough Bunny, but if you're scum then all you have to do is make sure one of town!Vecna or town!kgray votes for the other, and you can hop onto the wagon.
Oh, absolutely. Have I played like scum though? I sat back and let everyone pile on me for days.
Literally everyone, I didn’t defend myself seriously until today. I WANTED to be left here alive. I wanted to be seen as easy prey for a mislynch. Because it would seem easy. But in actuality, I’m the most obvious town here.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 pm
by Vecna
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:44 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:41 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:34 pm
Exactly. How can Town!bunny win here? I have TWO major hurdles to clear. What are they?
You have to convince me youre town and you have to make sure that im not scum
Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to do with every post.
Yet...it doesnt feel to me like youre convinced im town. I keep having that feeling youre constantly looking for that posibility to get an edge over me
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 pm
by BunnyGo
I just need the town member of you to get over whatever Neph did, and realize that I’ve been signaling and setting up for this since I joined.
I joined at what seemed like mylo. So if I was going to win, I had to hope we got 2 correct lynches AND that I made it easy to town read me at the end. So I started that. I tried to be obviously listening. Obviously not unermensching. Town only wins when coordination is easy.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
by Vecna
Like, Ive been very close to typing those double octothorpes followed by end for the last 15 minutes now to either allow Kgray to win or be towncleared.
That would loose you the game no matter what.
Im not getting any urgency
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
by BunnyGo
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:44 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:41 pm
You have to convince me youre town and you have to make sure that im not scum
Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to do with every post.
Yet...it doesnt feel to me like youre convinced im town. I keep having that feeling youre constantly looking for that posibility to get an edge over me
Makes sense. You haven’t had the same tone you did in role madness. Kgray has hewed closer to her town tone. When I pushed her (for GOOD reasons) she responded more like her town self.
You jumping on me at last minute from chaqa seemed scummier than her jumping on me.
But in truth. It’s hard for me to read either of you. So I’m trying to make it easy to read me.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:56 pm
by Vecna
I dont want new pacifist bunny. That just spouts game-theory'esque stuff.
I want search and destroy.
This you can fake. Like, no problem.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:57 pm
by BunnyGo
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
Like, Ive been very close to typing those double octothorpes followed by end for the last 15 minutes now to either allow Kgray to win or be towncleared.
That would loose you the game no matter what.
Im not getting any urgency
That’s true. It’s unfortunate if I can’t convince Town!vecna that I’m Town. But what have I ever done that’s scummy? I’ve been quiet. I’ve been listening. I’ve been thoughtful. And clear. And pointed out how well I was listening to Damo and Chaqa and how they weren’t themselves from last game (not mechanical but tonal)
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:57 pm
by kgray
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:51 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:47 pm
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm
Bunny is a gamer at heart. And Bunny is focusing in my lessons with swordsman on listening more. But more fundamentally, at my core I recognize positions where I cannot win.
In particular I cannot win if the other town votes on me. No matter what.
So my goal here, is to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve spent the past few days pointing out how towny I am. I’ve noted the scummy aspects of both of you. I’ve gone out of my way to listen. To solve. To think. But most importantly, to simply scream that I’m Town.
Fair enough Bunny, but if you're scum then all you have to do is make sure one of town!Vecna or town!kgray votes for the other, and you can hop onto the wagon.
Oh, absolutely. Have I played like scum though? I sat back and let everyone pile on me for days.
Literally everyone, I didn’t defend myself seriously until today. I WANTED to be left here alive. I wanted to be seen as easy prey for a mislynch. Because it would seem easy. But in actuality,
I’m the most obvious town here.
Well I certainly don't buy that and neither did literally any dead townie....
But I don't know. You're playing very differently now from how I remember you playing as either alignment, that's for sure. Maybe it's because you're learning. Or maybe it's because you're scum and you're putting on an act to avoid being lynched by two people who've mostly been in agreement this whole game.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:58 pm
by BunnyGo
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:56 pm
I dont want new pacifist bunny. That just spouts game-theory'esque stuff.
I want search and destroy.
This you can fake. Like, no problem.
Hmm. I think I’ve proven I can fake the other in several recent games. I’m quite good at faking that.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 5:59 pm
by kgray
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
Like, Ive been very close to typing those double octothorpes followed by end for the last 15 minutes now to either allow Kgray to win or be towncleared.
That would loose you the game no matter what.
Im not getting any urgency
If you vote to end, I'll vote you. Deal?
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 6:00 pm
by BunnyGo
But in particular, search and destroy town!bunny loses. Period. He was scum read as soon as he joins. And there’s no way he can make a strong enough case against either of you(correctly even) to win over the other town. He has to win by showing he’s town.
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 6:00 pm
by BunnyGo
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:59 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
Like, Ive been very close to typing those double octothorpes followed by end for the last 15 minutes now to either allow Kgray to win or be towncleared.
That would loose you the game no matter what.
Im not getting any urgency
If you vote to end, I'll vote you. Deal?
That is SUPER scummy
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 6:01 pm
by BunnyGo
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:00 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:59 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm
Like, Ive been very close to typing those double octothorpes followed by end for the last 15 minutes now to either allow Kgray to win or be towncleared.
That would loose you the game no matter what.
Im not getting any urgency
If you vote to end, I'll vote you. Deal?
That is SUPER scummy
Holy sh*t kgray. Getting nervous?
Re: M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 pm
by BunnyGo
##vote kgray. Of all the tonal things. You’ve never done something like that as Town.