MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[brainbomb]

I don't really feel like killing Denon today.

several questions
1. would scum ghug spell demon wrong to skirt a bot search

2. this implies ghug just didnt favor a demon dk day 1, in no way does this imply he wont be interested in a future rhk elim?


ghug mentions rhk only twice
and one was a shade the other implies disinterest in a d1 elim of him

[brainbomb]

ghug seldom pays much attention to demonrhk and would not find that elim very sexy as town

[brainbomb]

##vote Dargorygel

Guess voting Kgray D1 is not the way to go.

But her/darg/DemonRHK seem like the people id be willing to vote here. Jamiet and Maniac I dont mind giving a bit more extra time to warm up.

I wouldn't mind Demon either. It's hard to compare meta when he was a Mason with me, but looking back on that game he was waaaay more active than he's been here.

this looks good for kgray and feels more like she lost demonrhk in the headlights that the rest of the game had on. Her justification is based on activity and memory of his mason game. the early parts of his mason game he was very active so she was dead already when he began lurkfest 2021

[kgray]

##Vote kakarroto

I'm townreading brain, a quick iso didn't turn up much, and a self-pres vote.

This came when brain and kakarroto were both 3. I won't be surprised if the scum team is RHK (dead), Brainbomb, Hamilton Brian and two more. What do you think about this Jamie?

That would be too many.
There were 5 scum to start with. Four are left.

I think Maniac is scum, and I think the wagon on HB was an attempt to save DemonRHK. Maniac joined that wagon and then leapt onto DemonRHK to save face when it was too late.

Worcej was locked on HB for shitty reasoning hours before EoD and didn't re-appear.

Scum: Worcej, Maniac, Brainbomb, one more.

Agree that Maniac looks bad at EOD, but it seems like something scum would avoid? I'm suspicious of worcej too based on him not doing very much - I don't see any reads he's given besides joining in on everyone townreading food and his vote for Hamilton, and I can't even tell if that was serious, so that's not a good look. But I got pretty strong townvibes from brain right near EOD. I don't think he'd do that as scum.

[brainbomb]

Well I'm sure interested to hear what better players than I think of this logic.

Yeah, so am I. That's why I asked.

And I'm suspicious that Vecna left without addressing this. Normally he'd be all over this kind of optimizing mechs discussions. And assuming he doesn't think darg should be the DK given he responded by voting for Demon, then I'd expect him to be shooting down what a terrible idea this is.

Kgray again looks pretty well in her town groove here

[brainbomb]

So bona had a very odd set of fubar'd quotes. That was odd. Celaph then came in trying to do some sort of Rorschach interpretation of the mess. I felt meh about bona's post but celaph felt gross here.

NOTE: I had this typed after reading through 42 and was intending a vote here. I caught the claim but intend to leave this and what follows alone for my thought process at that time without the vote attached however)
Dargo's entire don't jump to conclusions followed by immediately doing that was god awful.

damo's reluctance to vote jamie is also off. not wanting to vote people D1 is, well, normal. But to that point jamie hadn't done much and had limped in the game. It almost seems like a tactic to avoid pressure, but that's not something I'd normally expect from damo.

food asked for a list way back when, currently I am scum on darg (see above), cona for a lot of the odd stuff with bb early and the messy expla9i8nation of townreads, with sus on celaph if that would flip red for the white-knighting of the quote disaster

(Post claim)
I am scumreading bona, damo, rdr (lack of substance in posting. I feel rdr has few but impactful posts and I ain't seeing that)

toewn on brain, vecna, chaqa

food feels like he's shotgunning everything at the wall and is a townlean. Jamie feels uninvested and is a monor scumlean. As stated a scum bona make me think scum cel is possible (Might be anyway but that post would be really odd as scum covering town.

##vote bona

What's gross about celaph correctly interpreting Bona's post? It wasn't even hard to figure out what Bona was doing. And why do you scumread Bona anwyay? You don't give any solid reasons here. Kinda makes me think he's just a viable wagon.

Kgray bona and demonrhk make almost no sense as all being scum here

[brainbomb]

This makes no sense. Scum can obviously defend town. Town can defend town.

"If you think X is scum, vote for X."

In what world does scum!celaph defend/come to the aid of town!bona here?

I mean in general, scum can obviously buddy town... But I don't think he was really coming to his aid regardless. I don't even think celaph is townreading bona?

I'm just saying the weird logic of voting for someone who is being defended because you scumread the person defending them makes no sense.

immediately after this post is when celaph votes for RHK

it looks a bit like celaph saw town kgray pounding away on RHK and celaph got nervous and pulled the trigger into bussing

[brainbomb]

##vote Demon

I don't think that darg is a good wagon for the day. I think it's most likely that he will be flipped rather soon and even if he's scum he's forced to give us reliable info to stay alive.

I don't hate the Bona wagon, but he's been both sharper and more active than RHK and I like the people on this wagon more.

celaph looks apologetic and appeasing to the other rhk voters here after kgray just got done throttling demon

[brainbomb]

What's weird to me is how Demon has been posting but hasn't addressed the elephant in the room. Why would that be, Demon? I think most players, being the lead wagon, would offer some sort of defense. Maybe?

this could be hamilton trying to get rhk to claim the 0 role. what was the elephant in the room hammy?

[brainbomb]

I will take a break now and return later with my conclusions. Please reread folks. its how we win

[kgray]

Rivera you could have bussed but
1. There was hope to votekill HB over RHK umtil late game
2. It would be super scummy if you moved on RHK minutes before EoD.

I don't understand - you're saying Rivera is scummy because he stayed on Hamilton but that it would also be scummy if he moved to Demon?

[kgray]

This came when brain and kakarroto were both 3. I won't be surprised if the scum team is RHK (dead), Brainbomb, Hamilton Brian and two more. What do you think about this Jamie?

That would be too many.
There were 5 scum to start with. Four are left.

I think Maniac is scum, and I think the wagon on HB was an attempt to save DemonRHK. Maniac joined that wagon and then leapt onto DemonRHK to save face when it was too late.

Worcej was locked on HB for shitty reasoning hours before EoD and didn't re-appear.

Scum: Worcej, Maniac, Brainbomb, one more.

I also think Maniac vote on HB and then Demon is scummy.

Yeah it looks bad but why would scum do that? Unless you think Maniac was completely flustered at EOD it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Bonatogether]

Oh. Well, no. Like I told you before I’m linguistically imprecise and you clearly like very precise definitions. So it’s a waste of breath to argue this.

Saying people are conf!town when they're really not is an active detriment to town. Please try to switch to townread or townlean. Overuse of conf!town gives scum cover.

Alright, I will do so.

Thanks

[Hamilton Brian]

What's weird to me is how Demon has been posting but hasn't addressed the elephant in the room. Why would that be, Demon? I think most players, being the lead wagon, would offer some sort of defense. Maybe?

this could be hamilton trying to get rhk to claim the 0 role. what was the elephant in the room hammy?

I think that the elephant in the room was Demon coming back, after they were a lead wagon (I think), and never even mentioned it in their discussions.

[dargorygel]

Confession time
Yesterday, I thought I was on the block, and the mood and momentum seemed to be to DK me. I didn’t want to be DK on D1… but I did NOT have RL time to argue.

So I copied brain, who has shown that these kind of things work, sometimes. (Thus the sensei line) I even tried to make it seem emotionally old brainish. (With all respect to brainbomb.)

AND… it worked. Sorta. I hoped that there would be less belief (thanks bona!) and more unsureness. Just enough unsureness to get me off from the DK short list.

I am not the cop.

I am glad the cop did NOT CC. (I didn’t want to out them. I hoped they would remember NOT to give the Werewolf someone to kill.)

Yeah, it was crazy.

I will TRY to be on today occasionally to answer questions/accusations. But RL is still kicking me.

I do not (obviously) want to say what my role IS… but it is not the cop.

[kgray]

So as I catchup, does scum Demon be so bold to include scum partners in their Brainbomb movie? Probably taking two equitable players they know aren't scum and including them for shits and giggles.

Effects of inclusion of brain and jamie in that if:

a) one of the two is scum?
b) both are scum?
c) neither are scum?

I just think Demon thinks they're not going to get killed this early so no harm in making the inclusion. I feel like we're looking at option c and both are town. I'll go forward with that mindset unless I see something in further reading.

Can you explain your conclusion more? If you thought there's no harm in Demon making the inclusion either way, why do you decide C is the most likely scenario?

[Vecna]

Chaqa mentions RHK 5 times, calls him scum early. later votes for him and says choo choo. Chaqa was among the most ardent RHK voters and therefore chaqa looks very good

Well now, Chaqa loves to bus in my experience, so I’d actually argue this looks bad for Chaqa.

Why do people say this?

It was demonstrably proven false last time this came up.

probably because all you did last game as scum was deathtunnel your teammate kgray

[kgray]

Give him my spot back please lmao

It's too late, you already sold your soul

[Fluminator]

I don't really feel like killing Denon today.

several questions
1. would scum ghug spell demon wrong to skirt a bot search

This would be next level play. I love it.

[Vecna]

vecna what specifically made demonrhk become a scumread for you? I havent found why it occurred

Just a general awareness that nothing he had done had left any impression on me. The same reasoning as Darg pretty much at the time. Its probably not very far off your reasoning, just from a different approach. Absence of any post that resonated, while last game he was pretty spicy right off the bat.

(just as a note; im generally overexhagerating how strong of a scumread it was for shits and giggles.)