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Finished: 09 PM Fri 21 Sep 12 UTC
Time To Talk
4 days /phase
Pot: 498 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: WT in the first turn? quite difficult to believe.
No bump in black sea? Very plausible (for now) Juggernaut. Anw, after the 1st year its impossible to say.

What about italy/austria? well....
04 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'm confused by the Italian opening, honestly. It's as though he can't decide whether to go against France or Austria. Either way, it looks like Munich is safe and Turkey won't have many problems.
04 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Calling that a telltale Western Triple Alliance is ridiculous. France and England bounced in the Channel, which means there's no French fleet sailing into the Mediterranean this year. England can only take one build at Norway, and that's because he's lucky enough not to deal with a competing Russian army in St. Petersburg. So who really knows.
04 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Yes, I do hope Italy's move to Ven was not aggressive against Austria. And Turkey & Russia I also hope you're not in a juggernaut . . . Austria's first on the chopping block if you are ;)
05 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Seriously, Alpine Chicken openings are about the most effective way to irritate all of your neighbors simultaneously.
05 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Personally, I'm a fan of the Alpine when Italy....certainly makes you relevant. And with fleet support west and England to the Channel, he's clearly got friends.
05 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: He's probably made a good friend out of you, too, since he can't keep you out of the Aegean!
07 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Hey Italy, want to ready up?
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'd like to state, for the record. Definite Juggernaut happening.
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Yeah, serious Juggernaut on our hands. Interestingly, they seem to be leaving Austria alone. Did you notice how Bulgaria held and nobody entered Galicia? What a weird alliance.

ITALY, YOU MUST STOP THEM ALL!
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: It's the latest thing.....a RAT!
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'm personally fond of the FAG.
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Lol, what was Bulgaria going to do? It couldn't block me out of Greece as I had support. And if I was involved with said juggernaut wouldn't I have moved to Boh or Tyr instead of Tri?
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Although I must say a juggernaut that doesn't overwhelm Austria first would be most welcome to Austria right now lol :)
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Bulgaria could have at least attempted to enter Greece or something. You had an Italian army in Venice and no unit in Trieste. So it's reasonable to suppose that you might not have supported yourself into Greece; bouncing yourself in Trieste would have permitted you to build a fleet there over the winter.

In such a case, an order of BUL-GRE would be a spectacular way to limit Austrian builds in 1901.
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: yes, juggie! The only good thing is that it allowed austria to get 2 builds and italy is nowhere trying to attack turkey!

And. russia, not boucing in sweden? Really?
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: What?! THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I ORDERED!
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: Oops wrong game sorry thought this was a game where i was playing as russia.
08 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Lol Italy, I've done the same thing myself before haha
08 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1902: +1 for nicely played :D
26 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1903: It looks like Germany might drop out . . . rather frustrating considering he was an intregal piece in my negotiations
26 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I am voting draw/cancel. I took over for the player that dropped Italy and now there is another drop out. I've seen this trend before in games and there will likely be more drop outs.
27 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I dislike droppers
27 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Austria, care to vote draw? I see you voted cancel but draw would end this now...
27 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: yes, while germany is not taken
27 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: i've taken over for Germany. doesnt look too good for them but ill give it a shot.
27 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: ive removed my vote since we have a new germany
27 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Sorry guys I couldn't log in soon enough to vote draw. Now thatwe have a new German player, I think we should continue
03 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Naughty Naughty Germany . .. lol
04 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: ;)
04 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: your not going to solo unopposed Austria. even if im dying because these opportunists see me as someone to pick on, i'm the only one trying to stop you.
04 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: so if i die, you likely will betray turkey or italy and easily win
04 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Me, getting a solo? You must be kidding! I'm not even close to such an endeavor, nor am I really in any position to stab either Turkey or Italy
05 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I love when someone picks a leftover and then behaves like has been attacking all game.
05 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: hahaha
10 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany just can't seem to keep a government together, can it? Looks like they'll be in CD soon
10 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I dont understand why people pick countries in CD just to go in CD again.
11 Jul 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I don't get it either. I picked up Italy even though I really hate playing Italy just because the map looked interesting. I do understand that you come in as a new player in an established game and have your work cut out for you 'cause you don't know what alliances have already been formed. You have to work to make new ones or break old ones. That typically doesn't work out, though, and you realize that the reason the country went CD in the first place was cause he was gonna get hosed. The new player will most likely continue getting the hose too. But, hey, you pick it up, you gotta keep playing it, I think.
With that in mind, anyone out there wanna help a poor Italian down on his luck? ;)
09 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: great, this is what happens when you go on holidays, you forget about your only webdip game for about a week!
10 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: come on guys, a 4-way draw is not enough? :)
11 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: A 4 way draw is fine by me.
11 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: austria, please draw.
13 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I see no need for a draw in this game at this point
13 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: From the moment that 3 of 4 players draw, there is the majority will of these player and its unwritten rule to draw. I've done that myself when I was winning.
15 Sep 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: It's also an unwritten rule that everyone kills Austria right away so this game is bucking the trend Already lol ;)
17 Sep 12 UTC I am asking everyone for a draw as I am having to miss turns due to unexpected events in real life. I don't like the idea of going CD, so I am begging, please?
17 Sep 12 UTC Fine. Since everyone really wants a draw I'll agree. I was really hoping to play for the win after knocking out England (I've never had an Austrian win before and would have been externally close). If I'd have to get it at the expense of a late game CD that would remove the fun of it though. Good game everyone
17 Sep 12 UTC Thank you austria. I understand that, once I won with austria and the joy, oh the joy :)
17 Sep 12 UTC Well played folks.
19 Sep 12 UTC Thanks everyone. Hopefully, I'll get to play another game before this year is out. Hate that life gets in the way of playing games....

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Austria
marshal969 (1792 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 125 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Turkey
Creigh (2764 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 125 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
MuadDib (1432 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 125 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
Buzzle (1531 D)
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 125 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
lewisk (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Germany
brainbomb (325 D)
Defeated. Bet: 88 D
Russia
grad (113 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Civil Disorders
cteno4 (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1903) with 6 centres.
grad (113 D)Russia (Autumn, 1906) with 0 centres.
Actaris (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 1902) with 5 centres.
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