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Finished: 03 PM Thu 08 Dec 11 UTC
Private Butter Knives Make Stabbing Fun
2 days /phase
Pot: 707 D - Spring, 1915, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
25 Oct 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well, like I said: this was not a game where I ever really had a chance. I guess I could have fought harder in the last few phases (there were enough changes happening all around me) but I had had enough: spending all these years stuck between France and England while Russia was AWOL kinda sucked me dry!

Good luck to the remaining nations! Don't let Tru prove he's the best at playing England on this site!
27 Oct 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: I would like to request a pause until sunday
27 Oct 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: My votes in, if everybody wants it.
28 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I'll be out of town until monday. I will be home monday night, so I should be ok to play, but if you guys want to hold off the pause an extra day, I'd appreciate it.
28 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1909: np
28 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I feel like this is now going to become an epic game with tiny Italy holding much power in its tiny green hands! Have fun guys.
28 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1909: Good playing with ya, Cachimbo. Better luck next time.
30 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1909: Great to meet you Cachimbo. Wish you had stayed in the game longer.
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: Grats on your solo, Tru.
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: Well, looks like I was right about Italy's power! Though it's starting to dwindle, it was certainly significant in the game's dynamics. I'm pretty sure that this isn't a solo just yet though... It all depends on ... you guessed it: diplomacy.
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: what the fuck is diplomacy?!?!?!



;)
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: Never heard of it. Must be a trap.
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: http://bit.ly/partasiti
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Sorry guys I'm going to need another pause for this weekend. I won't be able to get on the internet from Friday night through Sunday night.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: I've got the request in.
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thanks I'll pause right before I have to go.
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: I'm not pausing.

I think you should think of these things before you join the game. I mean, really... Imposing YOUR agenda to everybody else? How selfish of you Austria....How selfish....

;-)
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: lol
19 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: GG
19 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: same to you FK.
20 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Sorry for the delay, but can we extend the draw for a few days? (till Thursday latest). I may not have net access from Monday to Thursday.
20 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: I did not get message notifications to the three posts before Turkey's. I wonder how they work. It'll be interesting if there's a minimum word count.
21 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: I'm ok with an extra pause if everyone else is.
21 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: I have my disband order finalized, so I'm not stopping anything ;)
21 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Ya should have allied with me in that one Knoxy!

Good game though. You put up a real good fight.
22 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Turns out I do have net access here, although its slow. So I'll unpause.
26 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1912: So, I'm go to be holding in Warsaw, Austria will support hold me. We have the line, England. Draw please.
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1912: We'll be reducing this game to a 3-way draw. I told A and T that if I couldn't solo, the 3 of us would draw. No offense Santosh.
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1912: Austria, if England does not draw 4-way before the end of this phase, I'm going to move Warsaw. You need to be telling him you intend to hold Warsaw.
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1912: I have told England of my intentions.
02 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: Austria, awaiting your taking of Warsaw to end it. Good game everyone.
02 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: Ignore him Italy, he's trying to provoke you into giving him the win.
02 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: I dont think Austria has any intentions of doing anything other than support-holding
02 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: :P I appreciate the vote of support Turkey. It will be fun if Austria eschews war and decides he likes me after all. :D
02 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: btw Austria you can't risk taking Warsaw in this turn, if England moves back into Silesia, you're sunk.
03 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: I'm not going to move on you Italy.
03 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: But I will!

Boua-ha-ha !!!
04 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1913: really? you're extending the game another year?
05 Dec 11 UTC Spring, 1914: Sorry about that Santosh, congrats on keeping us on our toes for so long, after losing your home SCs.
05 Dec 11 UTC Spring, 1914: Great game everyone.
05 Dec 11 UTC Spring, 1914: Who's up for EOGs?
05 Dec 11 UTC Spring, 1914: I might put in some comments. Not sure how many of the 7 we'll get, but it sounds fun.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: I don't know how much of this game I remember to really comment on it. I can say that I feel for santosh. I was in the same position in the GFDT finals and TrustMe did the same thing as TruNinja, for which I was extraordinarily pissed about, but cooled off after a day.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: As I told England in PM a couple of game years ago -
"Bleh, don't care anymore. My only hope was to appeal to the rationality of drawing a game when the life has been drained out of it instead of playing for GR and points, but we seem to be beyond that stage, so just get it over with."
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: I don't have much to say, really. Russia's game was more or less an NMR for a couple of phases (as far as I'm concerned anyway) and I still don't harbour nice feelings towards the way it messed up the flow of the board in the north.

Please get me right: it was more than a couple of bad phases for Russia. It was that, coupled with the fact that he would not even offer a response to my many messages. As a result, I got fairly frustrated and my mood was surely reflected in my last few sets of moves. That's pretty much all I care to say about the game.

Except maybe that I want to congratulate Tru Ninja for being so patient in the early moments. It wasn't an easy feat given that I kept pressing him (via messages) and Knox was threatening from the get go. Well played Tru! I'd also want to congratulate Turkey and Austria, but if you take a quick look at the map, it's fairly obvious why they met with success: they had the lame duck Russia to profit from, and that they did. Kudoos regardless, because it's not so easy to have an AT alliance work, even when the table is set up perfectly for it.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: Sorry I pissed you off so much, FK. I saw an opportunity, so I took it. I did think quite a bit about what you said about what could have happened had I stuck through our alliance and muddled in Russia more and tried to solo that route. I agree that Russia spoiled the game a bit, but these things happen. He didn't seem like he was up to the par that the rest of us were at, game-wise.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: I didn't get from Knoxy's message that he had been pissed off at you in this game... But maybe I'm missing something.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: I'm just comparing the two. If FK was pissed at something someone else did in a game and I did the same one in this game, I'm sure feelings were pretty similar. Especially if it happened at the same time.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: So about September the scumbag bit of code that allocates countries decided Italy and I were meant for each other, and handed me three simultaneous Italian games and one Turkish game. I dislike playing Italy and Turkey, because I like proactive discussions, and I've learnt the hard way that an Italy or a Turkey sounding competent is a bad idea.

But back then I was new to press. Anyway, I thought Austria did a fantastic job of frustrating me and agreeing to, and then not ordering crucial supports creating problems. Russia CD'ing then gave both A and T free centers, with France already all over the Meds, and then E stabbed T at which point it became fairly obvious A/T would cut me out of it. I backed into France (sorry about that FK), with the hope that I would squat on the line and put myself in a position where A/T could not move on me, and I would be able to throw it to E if I did. At this point, as FK pointed out, E could obviously retreat and let A/T remove the offending units, but there was nothing else to be done, so I went with it, and hoped the game would be drawn based on positional power, instead of for points or GR. No qualms with that of course, different things work for different people, and I don't hold it against any of you.
05 Dec 11 UTC Autumn, 1914: tru, actually the opposite. I hated it when it happened to me, even told italy privately it had happened to me, but it is a valid move and I'd, honestly, do the exact same thing if I were in your shoes.

I just hated that I spent a good 3 or so years working my way into the position, then thought I had it, got cocky, then got sat on my ass. It wasn't a fun experience, but I think it had more to do with getting into position and being too prideful that I thought I had a spot on a draw that I really didn't.

This game was different, at least from my perspective. Santosh, himself, agreed that he stopped enjoying the game and that it came to a dull conclusion and resigned himself to the loss before it happened, so he was better prepped than I was.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

England
Tru Ninja (1016 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 236 D
17 supply-centers, 15 units
Austria
qtlp (473 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 236 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Turkey
Manas (818 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 236 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
fortknox (2059 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Germany
Cachimbo (1181 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Italy
santosh (335 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Russia
Webpoca (197 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
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