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Finished: 01 AM Tue 06 Sep 11 UTC
Owl Seventy-Four
22 hours /phase
Pot: 78 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
24 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Because he's stabbing you.
24 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: As he ought to
25 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia I wasn't sure that the move to Picardy would go through (which would make sure i couldn't move to Belgium) and I want to get that fleet in to action in the Mediterranean eventually. You will see it move to Belgium next turn.

@Austria you're just bitter!
25 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Haha yeah I am
25 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: @Austria you should know that any move in to Tunis will a) not get you anywhere b) make sure that I come down with more fleets than you know what to do with.
26 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Righto
26 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Austria...Even though I am attacking you ...I ask that if the time comes with England stabbing me that you realize our differences and look to become friends...I am still going to be moving against you but if he does stab me I will be willing to give you everything back and help against Turkey so You may get fleets built into Trieste and stop him...

and England that does not mean I am interested in stabbing you....I just want to state that there is options for Austria to stop you from soloing if you do stab me...cause lets face it I have allowed you into a really good position that many players can only dream for...but I hope I have been a good enough ally to waver any motive against me.
26 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Nope. If you two fight, I'm with England.
26 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Why...? I have wanted to work with you from the word go...but for some reason you stopped attacking Turkey...hell I supported you twice..This could easily be a three way draw right now but instead you have wasted my time and Englands making stupid moves against a minimal threat that was Italy...seriously...he was never a threat to you.
26 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1906: But I guess this is PPSC so atleast I get where you are coming from..oh well..I hope me and England both dont fight so you wont have to choose sides. You sore loser.
26 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: As promised Austria I will be giving everything Back..Budapest and Vienna will be clear'd this round.............

I will also support Greece to I hope you will turn your fleet around..

Also take vienna with Trieste and leave it it will need to be open for another fleet.
26 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hehe that would work well, wouldn't it?
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Thank you, Russia
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: You cant allow England to take any of Italy and we cant allow him to take Munich..Here is what he will have in the coming..turns..

Norway Sweden and Marseilles by next year..St P Maybe the next or the one after that..

I will need to set up a defense around Livonia and Munich..I ask that you allow me to take Ankara and you get con...I am deleting Gal and I ask that you allow me Ankara so I dont lose anymore the north..I will only have five once ST P Norway and Sweden are gone..

I can easily stop England from taking Munich for now...and you need to secure Italy.
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: If we lose Munich or a Italian SC we lose..
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Very well
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Austria, I am not out for you. Unless you make moves against me, I will not expand further in to the Mediterranean.
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: And happily so!
28 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: How does one have ten Supply Centers and only five units?
29 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Austria, would you support Rhur to Munich with your army in Tyrolia?
29 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1907: I still support Russia, notwithstanding our truce.
29 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Austria if you can get into Bohemia or Tyrolia that would be he probably will get into Burgundy..
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Austria? I can get Ankara Right?

And thanks France for stopping Bur..

Also Austria... do you think you can support hold Munich from Tyrolia..? That way I can take Berlin...and that can help us incase England some how...overpowers you into Italy...Dont see that happening but just in case it does...
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: And then get Vienna into bohemia..and then we should be set...
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: By all means occupy Ankara. I shall support hold Munich and I shall move Vienna into Bohemia.
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Also May I add you should give support to France to Marseilles..

France if you accept it that would be great...Thus this kills one of his builds or it allows you take Tunis...Cause he can only hold Marseilles if he is willing to give you Tunis.
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'll be sitting on at least 3 builds anyways because of the one I wasn't able to make last time.

Austria, I hope you realize the geopolitics of your situation: You are now stronger than Russia, and if Russia wants to expand the only way they can do it is through you. By engaging me in the Mediterranean, you risk dividing your forces and letting the Russians regain territory. When the French are gone (shortly), I will be able to mobilize my French armies to the German and Italian Frontiers, which could be quite bad for you.

I do not have any interest except defence in Southern Europe, and hope you will reconsider your alliance with the Russians.
30 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Consider this...England is a traitor. He could have had a nice two way draw with Russia. If you choose to side with him, what would say that he wouldn't turn on you a few turns into it. KILL ENGLAND!
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I dont plan to expand..If I did I would of continued my happy ass to take Trieste and allow Austria no builds..

But instead I would rather work with him and against you..
Cause I dont play for points..

I play for the satisfaction of knowing that I stopped you from winning..while you could read every part of our plan..haha fail.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Haha fail indeed
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: @France it's impossible to have a two-way draw - one side has to win in that scenario. Regardless, Russia was too strong. This is part of the game. I simply checked Russia's strength.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: But I think your proposal deserves a proper response. The entire reason we are in this situation is because you betrayed Russia, and Russia was trusting enough to retreat from what would have been an easy conquest of my territories. Those two facts make Russia a more reliable and more deserving candidate for my alliance than you.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Russia wasn't trusting, as it might seem: he used the fact that he now had weak borders he needed to defend and an opponent on the ropes to restructure the political climate in his favour. Russia is certainly a skilled diplomat, but like the moves of any player in this game, they were purely out of self-interest. He had the skill to spin a retreat in to a gesture of peace.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: @England: Hmmmm....17-17. That usually works...
@Austria: One thing I hate about this game is traitors. Alliances will always work out if both parties are willing and balanced enough.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Actually England My exact plan was to 17 17 up until that turn had been very kind to would I stay in St P? and Leave Munich and Berlin open..

I made it So when I was close to 17 I was going to invite you to take my SC's

I was going to continue moving south..
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Austria...may I ask that I be allowed to take my fleet out into the the spring I move into Con and in the Fall I move out into the Aegean Sea...If not I will understand..
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Also the perfect stalemate for up North will need a army in if you build two can move one up...into Warsaw... but we may not need it for awhile so maybe it would be better to wait till next years build to move it will only take two turns to do it.
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: ...Or instead of all this..unless England really sees a way that he can break us than I am all for him trying..WE draw after France and Turkey are eliminated..
31 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: By all means move through CON to the Med. I am open to a draw.
01 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1908: @Austria...Actually I see a better plan to hold off Munich and Berlin...and keep Your units moving into Italy..

I use Berlin to support hold Munich...and you move bohemia into Silesia and Vienna into Bohemia...they both continue to support hold Munich while Prussia supports hold Berlin

and Silesia will move to Warsaw where I can support hold Livonia with Moscow....

Then it will be a stalemate line..

With this plan you can move Tyrolia into Venice...

because we will only need Bohemia and Silesia to fully stalemate the North..Tyrolia can be empty

Also May I suggest you start convoying armies over into Italy..

Grabbing Tunis wont do much but if you convoy Con over into Apulia and move Tyrolia into Venice then get Budapest also into Italy then we should not need anymore fleets...

Here is a simple way to stalemate him in the south..and this is actually achievable by this year...

Army Tyrolia support hold Venice you can see only Pie and Tuscany are touching it..

Army Apulia support hold Rome as you can see only Tuscany and Tyrrhenian Sea Touch it.

And Fleet Naples support hold Ionian Sea...and again only two of his units would be able to try and take over.

So if you choose this way then I will not have to move out into the med and will actually move back...but if you choose to move forward then I will continue on.

Also sorry for all the reading I am making you do...haha I just like telling it how it is..haha
01 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Done and done!
01 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Awesome!! Also can I see that draw vote? Maybe England will come to his senses and draw early.

And is it a go on setting up the stalemate like I said..cause if so I am moving back to Armenia..If you are going to attack then I will move to Con.
03 Sep 11 UTC know as long as me and Austria continue to do the same moves every turn we can email the mods and tell them this is a stalemate and draw...

So can you please draw instead of waste our time. You cant take Livonia or Berlin or Munich or Pie or Tuscany or you cant move forward after you take StP.
04 Sep 11 UTC I can take StP and make inroads in the Mediterranean region. Until I see it as an insurmountable stalemate, I won't draw. It's a challenge.
04 Sep 11 UTC Please if you can explain...How will you take Pie? or Tuscany with Venice and Rome support holding each...With Naples support holding Ionian..

Hell if he wanted he could screw me over because he has three free units that have nothing to do...That is the only way this line will if Austria states that he will not stab me then can you please draw.
04 Sep 11 UTC Austria I hope you know you dont need Tyrolia...The Map is a dead lock but if he gets back in Baltic and hits Berlins support ...Luckily he didnt do that or we would have the problem of him in Munich.

So what I am saying is I need your two supports. For this stalemate to work up here...

That is all.
04 Sep 11 UTC Oh duh Tyrolia can support hold Munich...nevermind carry on..Just please use both to support hold..
04 Sep 11 UTC I won't be backstabbing Russia. I really think a draw is in order here.
04 Sep 11 UTC And surely Silesia and Berlin are enough to hold Munich?
04 Sep 11 UTC Fair enough. Good game.

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james422 (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
blacsun (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1907) with 0 centres.
aaronkolt (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1905) with 1 centres.
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