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Finished: 04 PM Mon 20 Jun 11 UTC
Private Metro Wargamers 3
2 days /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Yeah well at least I wasn't "Hungary" for your territory.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: no, you were "Warsaw" and "Rumania" for someone else's...
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I can now see why the Aus/Ita relationship is problematic.

Italy: Word has it that a late-game Ita/Ger alliance is mutually beneficial.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Umm, 2 cents here: Growing at the same pace in not the point of the game.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Also, I did not realize that the dead could speak!
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: My empire is a fragile one; it was politically necessary to liberate Poland and Rumania to satisfy those substantial minorities within Austria-Hungary proper.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm not dead yet -- England and Germany's delays in creating new units means that they've had to put off the mass executions of the remnant French forces in Picardy.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: PS - I will trust the situation next game. The thing is, I trusted the situation this time too (as I saw it). The problem is that others didn't see the situation as I did.
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Dear France:

So, others did not see the situation as you did. Isn't that so typically French? Or as they saying goes, it worked well in theory, who cares about reality?
13 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Austria--that's my line!
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Dear Tyrant of the Russian masses: I'm actually doing something useful and progressive right now (see below), and will brook no criticism from a ruler willing to send hundreds of thousands to their slaughter against Mitteleuropa. No wonder there was a revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elba

"During the months Napoleon stayed on the island, he carried out a series of economic and social reforms to improve the quality of life, partly to pass the time and partly out of a genuine concern for the well-being of the islanders."

As for the rest of you, be on your guard: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Beaume_-_Napol%C3%A9on_Ier_quittant_l%27%C3%AEle_d%27Elbe_-_1836.jpg
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Here's the description of the image linked to above: "Depicts Napoleon leaving the island of Elba at the port of Portoferraio"
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: well, not only is france acting like one would expect the french to act, but the resort back to Nappy is so telling: exile the most succesful french leader, all things being relative, and then never win another war.
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Ahem. There is the inconvenient fact of French victory in the Crimean War (most of the allied forces were French, btw). Also, take note of this:

"The Crimean War is known for the logistical and tactical errors during the land campaign on both sides (the naval side saw a successful Allied campaign which eliminated most of the ships of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea)."

And let's not even get into your crazy theory about the French "losing" WW I.
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Technically, the Crimean War was a (minor) Anglo-French-Turkish victory (not such a bad Diplomacy triple alliance actually!). And I think World War I counts as a win for France as well, at least in the short term.
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vernet_-_Taking_of_the_Malakoff.jpg

The caption reads: "The final assault of the French brought about the capture of Sevastopol after one of the most memorable sieges of the 19th century."
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Will: Dave does not give the French credit for WW I. Only he can explain it. The man simply hates the French.
13 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Another fleet!! England is *never* allowed to criticize me again for building aircraft carriers in A & A.
14 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1906: BTW, back to France and military valor. The Crimean war was stupid, so if victory is gained in pursuit of stupidity, and one is very proud of that, then that is very Gallic.

A stretch to say the French won WWI. Even if so, their overweening gaul, so to speak, simply set the stage for worse to come. The world would be a better place had they lost.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Gentlemen: I think we should call it. There's no way for the Eng-Ger forces to break through the Itl-Aus lines, and vice versa. There's some mopping up in the east, and eventually Eng will take Mar, but -- save Eng and Ger suceeding in convincing Austria that it's in its best interest to stab me and watch its entire eastern front fall -- it's impossible for anybody to make progress after that. tell me if you disagree.
gg all
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: sorry, meant to type "entire western front"
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I don't see Austria's entire western front falling if he stabs you, and I certainly don't see Russia being part of the draw. But I don't see Austria crossing the stalemate line without me or England stabbing one another, which makes it up to Austria whether he wants to agree to the draw or not. I'll agree to put in a draw once Russia is eliminated--i.e., after this turn.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Why would you quit now? This is when it becomes hard -- and interesting. The men are separated from the boys (as opposed to toddlers like me).
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: (England and I can't stab each other with an ascendent Austria at our throats; it would likely throw the game to Austria for a solo victory)
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Reading between the lines, it sounds like Italy wants the game to end while he's still alive.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Actually, play on a few turns. We'll see how far we can push on against Italy by force, especially when Italy seems willing to throw every center Southeast of Munich to Austria.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: The long term result looks like a 3-way draw between England, Germany, and Austria to me.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: right - and Austria and Italy can't stab each other as it would likely throw the game to Eng for a solo victory. despite your pleas to the contrary, if Italy can't round the bend of Iberia (which I can't), then it follows a fortiori that an Austria that stabs Italy can't round the bend. all he would do is force me to move east to address the stab, which would open up the med to the Eng and expose the soft underbelly of Europe, eventually leading to Austria's death and a probable Eng victory. it's a draw, boys
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: note also that Austria is aware that he can't build fleets. if the Eng break through the Med, they're unstoppable.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: by the way, cute pitch to Austria, Herr Germany: who would settle for a definite four-way tie, when you can throw the dice at a chance of either losing or a three-way tie!
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Let's see what happens by the time Russia's finished.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: sure - you can hold out to see if Austria uses his troops for a stab. hope springs eternal.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hey guys, did I miss anything here?
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: yes - Germany declaring his commitment to four more days of trying to persuade you to stab me...
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think he should stab England, were anyone to ask me.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: the game is his if he does, but perhaps he lacks the creativity and courage to try it. a timid Germany, go figure...
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Early calls for draws are a sign of mental weakness. Once a stalemate is firmly established, you should call for it. As of right now, this game is definitely not over.

Hell, I'm not even counting myself out. Picardy is still blue!
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: will someone PLEASE take picardy.

So typically French: believing in the soul even while the body is gone.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I have no navy, and England has no army. It's a great way to build trust!
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: So no Jutland, then? Crap, I had just made some popcorn...
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'm waiting with baited breath -- Picardy must not fall.
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: what kind of monster would invade Pic for no other purpose than chormatic aesthetics
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: errata: "chromatic" italians have trouble spelling in english
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Austria's unwillingness to take Tri means that he doesn't get his full allotment of units. Interesting.
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: More armies that can't cross the Rhine. Ho hum.
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: right, isn't that the point I raised last season? shouldn't we now call a draw?.
1. with my new fleet in Nap, which goes into the Ionian, there's a wall that Eng cannot pass. Ion supports Tunis; Tyrr, Tus support Gol; Pie stays put.
2. With Aus's two builds, there's no way Ger is moving forward either.
17 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Correct. We can't make any progress against you as long as you stay allied, we (England and Germany) can't make any progress against each other, and you can't make any progress against us. Austria, on the other hand, can swallow you whole. The draw's up to him.
18 Jun 11 UTC it does appear that Eng can make progress against Ger -- Pic, Hol, Den, Berlin, Swe, to name a few. In fact, the only Ger properties off limits to his navy are Mun and Paris, but Eng can use his new builds for armies. So, the draw is also up to Eng.
19 Jun 11 UTC gg, gentlemen
21 Jun 11 UTC Sorry, stabbing a firm ally was beyond what i was willing to do. Plus i have these russians to integrate into my empire...

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Austria
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
Germany
Edgehopper (471 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
carethus (185 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Italy
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Russia
dpervin (112 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
France
Dave McBride (107 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Turkey
Metzler (104 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
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