Finished: 05 AM Wed 04 Nov 20 UTC
Live Gunboat-652
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
0 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
04 Nov 20 UTC GG all.
04 Nov 20 UTC GG. That semi NMRs for me in F 1902 really killed me. Lost internet came in at 10 seconds and readied all holds.
04 Nov 20 UTC GG.
04 Nov 20 UTC Lol, we really did have 3 different Frances come in.

GGs. Tough fucking game for me. Does anybody else feel like Turkey is way worse than advertised? You can't beat the Lepanto without giving Russia the Black Sea.
04 Nov 20 UTC Oh wow I don't think I've seen you in a live game in a while Eden! And yeah Turkey is trash lol
04 Nov 20 UTC You could always not go suicidal and give away your home centers
04 Nov 20 UTC It has been a while Eden, where have you been?
04 Nov 20 UTC Sup Boat! I'm back and hanging around.

Czech, my choice when you went for Greece was to piledrive you and hope to make the final draw, or get ground out between you and Russia. I didn't have a winning option by that point.
04 Nov 20 UTC Law school! I'm in the start of my last year. I'm working on a big set of guides for swordsman's website and wanted to get back into the game. Hope y'all have been well. :)
04 Nov 20 UTC Yeah, playing Turkey sucks these days :( good effort though.
04 Nov 20 UTC Turkey was amazing like 7 years ago when the meta was super anti Austria but now it is the weakest power in gunboat imo.
04 Nov 20 UTC The meta is super pro Central Triple and I don't see it changing too much as least on the IA side. Maybe EF becomes more common?
04 Nov 20 UTC Yeah, overall I feel like the meta's rebalanced the other way now, the C-tier powers (Austria/Russia?) back then have gotten better chances, while in the west France has become a poor power to play...
04 Nov 20 UTC Because I am not sure what Italy has to gain by attacking Austria early in gunboat and I am not sure what Russia or Turkey could do to beat the Lepanto. Maybe Ank-Con becomes super common but at that point I feel like it just makes Russia killing Turkey even easier. EFG has lots of room to shift though. If Italy was getting shafted I could see them shifting more to going West or attacking Austria more. Perhaps if the scoring system wasn't DSS but rather something that rewarded board tops, there would be interest in Italy switching? But so long as it doesn't, why would Italy do anything but Lepanto and chill?
04 Nov 20 UTC Russia still sucks to play this game notwithstanding. If Austria didn't do stupid things, Russia doesn't grow at all.
04 Nov 20 UTC The main issue I'm finding is that if you want to beat the Lepanto, you can; I had it completely stalled by the end of 1902. Problem was that I gave Russia the Black Sea. IDK what to do about that lol. You need two fleets to stop the Lepanto.

I don't think it's wrong of AI to ally either, it's basically the right call every time. Maybe you're supposed to go all-out against Russia and pray that this is the game Austria and Italy fight? Maybe I'm rusty and bad lol.
04 Nov 20 UTC Yeah my mind was fucking shattered when Austria dove into Munich and then tried to defend it lol. Absolute madlad play.
04 Nov 20 UTC I hope I don't jinx it but I actually low-key want to roll Russia if this is the way things are going. I think the fight against Austria is winnable, and if Turkey has to give up the Black Sea to beat the Lepanto that happens every time, you're in great shape down south.
04 Nov 20 UTC Imo the tier list is now: G/A/I/E/F/R/T

I could hear arguments in favor of switching E and I, but I like the list.
04 Nov 20 UTC The issue is if you give up Black Sea you die as Turkey. And you can stalemate the Lepanto but all that means is Warsaw and Moscow get taken in 1906/07 once E/G are done with F.
04 Nov 20 UTC Is France just getting attacked by Germany and England every time now? I'm shocked to see it fifth. Austria and England 2nd and 4th are crazy to me too, but I've been out of it for quite a while now. If E/G v F and A/I v T are certainties then I could see that list being right
04 Nov 20 UTC E/G vs F is very very common. Many times you'll see an EG with Italy sending an army to Piedmont to harass the French defense as well. Without Italian harassment a good France can survive for 5-7 years imo in Gunboat against a concerted E/G and sometimes even longer if he knows it is coming and can make good guesses. If you can have F MAO, F Bre, A Pic, A Bur, A Mar you'll be sitting pretty for a while.

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Russia
yolo5 (346 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 53 D
13 supply-centers, 12 units
England
frostwind (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 53 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Germany
TheFlyingBoat (1000 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 53 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
The Czech (42227 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 53 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
Malabariano (304 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
President Eden (2655 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Civil Disorders
wansiuhay (1401 D)Germany (Spring, 1901) with 3 centres.
Roadhog (137 D (G))France (Autumn, 1905) with 1 centres.
Malabariano (304 D)France (Autumn, 1907) with 1 centres.
e.m.c^42 (197 D)France (Autumn, 1906) with 1 centres.
Cashew747 (252 D)Austria (Spring, 1907) with 2 centres.
ClassicTrickery (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1907) with 1 centres.
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