Finished: 10 AM Sat 21 Nov 20 UTC
Private Picarones
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
2 excused missed turn
Game won by anlari (8198 D)
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20 Nov 20 UTC holy shit lmao, I can't believe this ended in a Russian solo. Incredible to behold. Well played anlari, what a fabulous win!
20 Nov 20 UTC Good game, all!

@anlari you out-dueled me in the north. I should have been able to roll you back some or at least hold onto Holland, but you played the better match.

I won't have much free time this weekend, but I'll do my best to catch up on the conversation here as I'm able. I look forward to hearing any thoughts on how I could've played this match better.
20 Nov 20 UTC Thanks for the game, everyone, and congrats to anlari on a good win.

Italy... I have no idea why thought it was sensible to try to eliminate me when Russia was clearly a massive solo threat. We could easily have set up a stalemate line and drawn this, but your attack on me made this the only likely outcome.
20 Nov 20 UTC Perhaps it wouldn't have played out this way if I had committed more to janissarying for France.
20 Nov 20 UTC GG, this was a really fun, and at times stressful game. I think my solo had a lot to do with lucky guesses at the right times

@Italy & Turkey: You two punched me very well earlier on in the game (1905-1908) although I was lucky that it was followed by infighting and Italy couldn't breakthrough before I could get some northern units to bolster myself. I think I got very lucky in 1911 - you can see from my Baltic Sea move that turn that even I didn't expect to take that many SCs in the south. Regarding end game: I agree with Turkey, you could have stopped me if you two cooperated.

@France: Actually, you were a formidable opponent, and made me stare at the map for longer than I care to admit trying to determine moves. I actually didnt mean to stab you in 1910 - was just trying to clash in NS - but it worked out really well to have been in there after my unexpected success against Italy in 1911. I was also kicking myself for not having taken Hol at this point - it took a lot of work to keep it later :) While I had to keep up the fight with you to preserve a foothold across the stalemate line, doing so starved me out of units in the south, making life much harder. A few things you could have done better though: 1- you could have pushed me out of NS faster before I got my last build in SPT, and then leveraged this to take Hol. 2- the two fleets you kept in Tunis-West Med for most of the game could have made a big difference in the southeast, where Italy was having a hard time defending both the Balkan and Turkey flanks. 3- I never understood why you didnt try to push through my gap in Tyrolia-Boh. Munich was not well defended, and your single turn with A-Tyrolia made me really concerned. Why not go there earlier? Why not go for Mun or Boh instead of Tri? Did this have to do with concerns about leaving Mar open for the German army?

@England & Germany: I spent quite a bit of time debating whether to follow through my fight in England by invading the islands, or to turn on Germany. In hindsight, I stayed put for longer than I should have debating this. In the end I went for the latter because invading the isles would leave me overstretched and ripe for an attack by either Fr or Ger, while invading Germany would allow me to use my northern units to attack Italy's flank (at that point I was in big trouble in the south). I think I got lucky to invade Germany as fast as I could though. Otherwise, far from a solo, I may not have made it to the end game.
20 Nov 20 UTC also overall comment: I always thought solo is easy once you breach the stalemate line, but here I felt like I was outgunned most of the time and having to keep jockeying units around. I think this has to do with the length of the frontline Russia faces, but also the skill of my opponents.
20 Nov 20 UTC well, soloing as Russia is never easy. You played a good game, very tactically polished, regardless of whatever strategic mistakes people may or may not have made.
20 Nov 20 UTC GGs, while I probably have complaints about the solo defense, a Russian solo always has to be earned (to an extent). Well done.

@France, I think it was ambitious to help Russia finish me off (almost) when you weren't in position to take any of my centers besides Holland. But I think the real mistake was Italy going after you without finishing off Turkey.

They should have sent F NAP to ION in S06 and spent one more year making sure that Turkey was circling the drain. Maybe that tempts you (France) to spend your Liverpool build on F BRE, and then Italy is in even better position to attack France (no F in MAO and no F MAR build).

I might have better analysis later. This is probably reactionary/wrong opinions. And I agree with Turkey that Italy need to leave the Ottomans alone and stop the solo.
20 Nov 20 UTC I think if Italy was gunning for a solo, crossing the stalemate line early by going after France was the right - if risky - move. They had every reason to think they could keep pushing against me and recycle any new units to take down to Turkey. To finish off Turkey before turning West would have likely been too late.

Regarding Fra helping me with Ger: I can see why. At that point Italy seemed like a much bigger threat, and no one, including me, could have predicted how quickly I would have taken Vie and Buda.
20 Nov 20 UTC Both good points. Hmmm.
21 Nov 20 UTC Gg all, I did enjoy it. First thing first - T you are right i underestimated the solo threat.

The thing is I thought I had a very good chance myself, then I got 2 consecutive toss ups wrong in F. If I got MAR or Spa it would have been a good chance. Then, G collapsed to the Russian attack way too easily compared to what I expected. And to top it up his last army spilled into Tyr (which I stupidly didn't cover after having moved an army there for that very purpose the move before). And that was the beg of the end.

Still I think F and the remaining G army and myself could have done something a bit better to stop R.
But we didn't so the solo was very well deserved.
21 Nov 20 UTC @Italy: I agree, earlier on you had a real hope to solo - and for me, it was certainly interesting having two solo threats on my doorstep! In your shoes, I might have tried harder to get my help in cracking Russia and kill me later - e.g. in 1905, I took BUL on the North Coast, and had a marvellous position for your purposes, and still you attacked me. But I get it.

The time I think attacking me was a really bad play was 1911 onwards. By this time France had repelled your attack, and there was no hope for you to solo. Russia was already on 14 centres. IMO, the only way to stop them was to hold a line that included me in Turkey.
21 Nov 20 UTC T, I agree. What I thought is, in order to get the solo, I need to breathe the stalemate line and that could only be in Mar or Spa. So my plan was to hold the line in the east, get mar or spa and with that extra unit come and collect T. However I didn't get lucky in F (and I think i times it well) and T rotated their units (my oversight as I could have prevented that) and then I couldn't just hold the line. Finally as I said G collapsed and had to move pie tyr.

Still T you are right, at that point we could still salvage it but is not that you stopped attacking me when you saw my attack on F had stopped...

Final mistake, my retreat to ukr - should have gone to gal and that would have opened up mun for F.

Look forward to playing again when we get a chance.


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