Finished: 04 PM Thu 26 Nov 20 UTC
Private GFGOTL
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Fortress Door (1842 D)
18 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1903: Moderator: (Szpoti): Dear Players,
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03 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1913: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
26 Nov 20 UTC GG’s, wp Russia
26 Nov 20 UTC So, Italy, I get you felt it necessary to kill me off. First moves against me were to keep me in the box, which is good. Then, it was to be strong enough to take Russia on your own, also good. I might have done the same. Maybe. But I will always attempt a throw if my death means others can stop a solo. Why not throw if the other choice is death?
26 Nov 20 UTC GG all. I have to be honest, is there something I missed? I don't know why Italy decided to throw the game.
26 Nov 20 UTC 100% understood and respected, Turkey. I had zero problems with your strategic choices and you can see went a similar way myself near the end. read a board this bad or you just like being Russia's bitch? Please do not join another one of my games.

Russia, where did I throw? When I walked out of my dots my position had just been destroyed because of the fleet that was ridiculously allowed to sail through NAO, through MAO, around Gibraltar to the back of my lines. Before that I was OK to keep holding the lines, I had a complete naval blockade in the Med and Russia was never going to make it beyond the Aegean Sea, Pie S Ven and ION S AEG was the last line of defence I knew from very early on that I would probably be holding against Russia. But after Germany decided he gave zero fucks about the game, why would I continue to fight to delay (not prevent, 99% just delay) the Russian solo? Even if it were somehow stopped (super unlikely) I would not be a part of the draw, because my lines were collapsed to Russia.
26 Nov 20 UTC This game is a good illustration of the important principle that no tactics can save you if your strategy sucks. Germany spent years and years going the wrong way entirely. Who cared if I could write just the perfect orders to hold off Russia for another turn? It would all end in the same because Germany, in all usual circumstances the best friend of Italy and whom I had spent the whole game trying to help, desired to play for an 18-16 draw.
26 Nov 20 UTC Austria, for your own sake I ask that you study up on tactics, when I saw what you wrote in S02 I sighed and figured I was probably going to have to absorb as much of you as I could and fight the Jugg myself. You wrote the equivalent of all hold when Russia had just telegraphed abundantly obvious his intention to shift into Boh and Gal, why? A correct set of orders here would look something like Vie-Gal, Bud-Rum, Ser-Rum, the only way they take anything from you is if Bul supports Rum to Ser, which to be totally fair does happen sometimes, but most Turkeys are not selfless enough to do it.
26 Nov 20 UTC GGs! Seren's right, my S02 was hella dumb. I really struggle with Austria :/ gotta work on it
26 Nov 20 UTC Spring 1909, Russia went to Munich and had a good possibility of taking over Turkey and Balkans over time to come near 18 SCs.
I finally thought that the signals I've given to Germany throughout the game that I don't fight, you can move towards Russia will get through finally. Next turn I get a fleet in a Channel and then armies in mainland France for my trouble.
Since the early game I've been retreating again and again, to signal Germany that your SCs won't be taken, so go stop Russia, let me help (and in return all I get is an army in Burgundy).

Hell, I was even considering giving up some of my SCs without a fight so that Germany will get builds to stop what was going to be an obvious Russian push.

In the end though it was just too much by Autumn 1911, I was too tilted and just gave up on trying to stop the Russian push through NAO and MAO.

The only reasoning for your attack on me that I can think of is that you thought even in Autumn 1910 that I'll defend Liverpool and that Russia could be held at 17SCs (with all the SE - Greece, Smyrna etc captured)

Idk, what more am I supposed to do show willingness to step back Germany? Maybe should have repeated the same support holds for years and years?
26 Nov 20 UTC Also, I've haven't played France GB that much but Italy moving army to Piedmont again and again for distraction is such cheese. It's a good move, but I hated it
26 Nov 20 UTC Yeah, basically everything France said.

I moved to Piedmont to help Germany, of course I greatly regret this now, but at that time he was in a decent position I thought if I could power him up enough, a strong Germany can keep alive even an Italy in an otherwise abysmal position (see: the other game, where my solo push made Italy who had done nearly nothing of worth all game absolutely guaranteed to be in the draw..and of course this game with the countries, this is what I get in return).

Later on I had to be in Piedmont for my defence, armies in Pie and Ven and Italy can never be attacked by land from the east, sorry that it inconvenienced you France.
26 Nov 20 UTC *countries reversed
26 Nov 20 UTC France(TestSubjector), your text exactly described the reasoning that I'd had. I had been hoping you wouldn't have let Russia(Fortress) get Liverpool, and was trying to get some easy SCs off of you without resistance while still being able to turn and defend against the inevitable stab when it came. Which I game's end Russia had made a net gain of 0 against me (trading Munich for Norway, with me guaranteed to take 2 from him in Britain in the following years). The thing I didn't expect (and it really took me by surprise) was Italy's(jasnah's) completely throwing the game away at the end. Even with a Russian fleet having escaped into the Med, we still would have prevented a solo if Italy hadn't run away from the game. It was disappointing.
26 Nov 20 UTC You had lost Berlin permanently, how the hell were you ever going to stop the Russian solo? Did you expect to kick him out of all of Lvp, Edi, Swe and Stp before he wrapped up the south, all the while as he builds every turn? There are no stalemates down there buddy, even if you had actually gotten him out of Lvp Edi Swe and Stp, he would STILL have eventually taken Tunis, and that would have been 18.
26 Nov 20 UTC The fact that you are thinking Italy was the reason for this solo, shows how little you understand the map. It is like after France has stalemated Tunis, Munich and Berlin and is attacking Scan, you complain and say "Russia why did you walk out of Nwy and Sweden and throw to France!!!"
26 Nov 20 UTC I also thought the 1910 attacks on Constantinople and Smyrna were quite unwise. There was never a chance on Italy holding onto them for more than a few turns, and by attacking Turkey(NEFS) there was only handing them over to Russia (instead of using the fleets against Bulgaria and Trieste, which is what should have happened).
26 Nov 20 UTC Italy, the key phrase in your statement was the "before he wrapped up the south". I didn't expect Russia's southern foe to hand the game over to him.
26 Nov 20 UTC You were expecting me to delay Russia and die slowly so that you could have a shot, a terrible one by the way, at 3wding without me. Got it.

Assuming you can count to 18, you will see that Berlin and Tunis + everything else in the south, makes 18. Which of Berlin and Tunis did you expect to recapture and stalemate before Russia brought enough force to bear, to take it by force? He had Kiel or Munich guaranteed this turn, even, so your position was also destroyed. Laughable.
26 Nov 20 UTC At any rate, congrats on the solo, Russia(FortressDoor). If you're American, remember to put Italy(jasnah) on your list of people to be thankful for during your Thanksgiving holiday today.
26 Nov 20 UTC Um yeah, I'm a dick :D

I'm a dick who can read the board though, which I prefer to being a totally nice person who has no positional understanding. Personal preferences my man
26 Nov 20 UTC Happy thanksgiving to all

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Fortress Door (1842 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
21 supply-centers, 15 units
wpfieps (442 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
TestSubjector (605 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
jasnah (219 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 5 units
TheFlyingBoat (1000 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
pyxxy (725 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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