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Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1916, Finished
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Game drawn
30 Aug 20 UTC Spring, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
02 Oct 20 UTC Spring, 1910: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
10 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
11 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Oct 20 UTC Spring, 1914: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
23 Oct 20 UTC gg
23 Oct 20 UTC Thanks for playing!
23 Oct 20 UTC I'm very upset with myself for some of my plays towards the end (giving up my centres so I could be eliminated; not getting Berlin back so I could be vital in the stalemate; Bal S Kie-Ber), but I'm glad I was part of the draw in the end.
23 Oct 20 UTC Anlari, I would really recommend you to be more clear in your communication (with moves). Even the second to last turn, moving North Sea to Holland instead of Heligoland would've been much better. I was really necessary to achieve this draw, so you don't want to threaten my centres unnecessarily. There were many more examples earlier. Either eliminate me, or show that you won't. Don't threaten to kill someone who can throw a solo.
23 Oct 20 UTC I didnt think much of the NS - Hel move. I think by then it was clear where this is headed - I didnt have the resources to eliminate you and hold the stalemate line even if you didnt throw the game.

Previous two years, e.g. not supporting you into SPT or Berlin in the last couple years was to make sure Russia doesn’t throw the game. You really got me worried by leaving Baltic Sea last year by the way

The few years before then, (until I supported hold in Den), I was actually trying to eliminate you, but I gave up on that when it became clear Turkey was advancing too fast / you had a good hold in Scandinavia.
23 Oct 20 UTC Bal-GoB was to ensure I could take StP back even if Turkey took it this turn. Wasn't sure you'd support. This move was necessary. Hence my mistake in supporting you to Kiel. I shouldn't have signalled that the turn prior.
23 Oct 20 UTC The problem with that is it left me in a bit of a bind with no unit in Kiel and Ru possibly taking revenge by supporting Turkey. In the end it was fine with clashing my own units in Sil, but that took some imagination
23 Oct 20 UTC I honestly thought Germany cost us the draw until Anlari decided to eliminate me and give it to Claesar lol
23 Oct 20 UTC I didn't really have the option to keep you and take out Germany :P It was a 3 way draw vs 4 way.
23 Oct 20 UTC But yeah, I figured the Jugg was not happening back in 1910 and the stab would come soon - Turkey never moving his armies forward and the constant pressure from Germany left me in a 'who do I want to give this to?' choice.
23 Oct 20 UTC Oh, and be glad you did clash into Sil - when you decided to take Berlin I was 100% going to throw the game to Turkey lol
23 Oct 20 UTC I think with hindsight the best you could have done was to move against Turkey hoping that it would drive me to stab Germany (which it would).

On Berlin: Yes, that's why I waited until the end to move against you :)
23 Oct 20 UTC I was really torn over what to do with SPT in 1914 for example. If I supported Germany, you would probably read the writing on the wall and throw Berlin. If I supported you, then we couldn't take you off the board.
23 Oct 20 UTC Congrats on stopping me.

Funny how you all talk amongst yourselves as if I wasn’t playing though.
23 Oct 20 UTC :) gg, happy to hear your feedback too
23 Oct 20 UTC A few fun facts:

I had no intention of stabbing Russia until he kept covering against me, and ensuring France had the chance to set the stalemate line - and not fast enough to convincingly roll over Germany because he kept too many units off the "front lines". It had been a long time since I'd participated in a longer term Juggernaut, but it was not to be this time around.

I was also toying with trying to get France to do an infamous 2-way draw by signalling I was going to stop short allowing him the room to take StP and tie it up 17-all. I decided against the risk though as it just would've drawn it out - and for what? Too much risk for too little gain - so congrats Claesar :D Its clear you owe Anlari for your survival.

It was a frustrating game in many ways - too much hedging in the early part, and me delaying to get the perfect timing for the stab. It came up - but too late to finish the game.

It was funny seeing you say I was coming to fast - but it seemed glacial to me given the criticality of timing over Berlin and StP.

The one that got away - but not bad for someone with a GR in the 7000's I guess :P
24 Oct 20 UTC @Turkey - I had to cover because you never moved your line of armies forward and just kept them planted. I moved mine out and you still kept them back to stab, so really I don’t understand how it was my issue the Jugg failed.
24 Oct 20 UTC From 1905 on, you kept a solid line of armies to stab me at any moment...
24 Oct 20 UTC @Ger just remembered to ask, why did you keep hitting NS between 1906-9?
24 Oct 20 UTC @France "The problem with that is it left me in a bit of a bind with no unit in Kiel and Ru possibly taking revenge by supporting Turkey. "
Hence why my support into Berlin was a mistake.
24 Oct 20 UTC I kept hitting North Sea because I wanted in, for my own protection. I reckon you should've let me in (unless you wanted to eliminate me).
24 Oct 20 UTC I see. I just wanted to finish off Eng and get my units south as Turkey was coming. You cut off my support to Lon at a critical point actually, and after that I didnt want to let you anywhere close to my SCs
24 Oct 20 UTC That was Autumn 1907.
24 Oct 20 UTC @ Russia - review it mate - I had nowhere else to go - but that's the problem with gunboat right, you have to signal and maybe you let paranoia get the better of you. I can't speak for your thought processes though so I might be barking up the wrong tree.
24 Oct 20 UTC I mean hell I had nowhere and no other route for my armies to move and you stayed put with 4 units from 1905 to 1909 when you moved to Black Sea. That was the move that made me say if he doesn't stab - I'm going for him myself because there is clearly no trust.
24 Oct 20 UTC AND I lost any chance as a direct result (small though it might've been) to break through the southern stalemate.
24 Oct 20 UTC I think your over-cautious retreat in autumn 03 also lost you a lot of momentum turkey. Anyways, very boring game for me.
24 Oct 20 UTC The BS move was specifically because you built your fleet in Con instead of Smyrna. I lost trust in you from that point immediately and the intent of my BS move was to try to bounce your fleet in case you went Con -> BS and then Ankara -> Armenia, because if you did then I would've lost Sevastopol for sure.

As per your reaction after it: You lost the momentum yourself. As Vecna points out, you completely retreated when at worst you could've kept Ankara/Con in one spot and I had no other moves to make, or you could've just trusted me and seen my move was cautionary and not aggression.
24 Oct 20 UTC Also, I call BS on no move options - A1907 was an option to move the line instead of plant it but you didn't. To build easy trust, you could've moved Bulgaria to Greece and then put Aegean on SC of Bulgaria, leaving no threat to me in Rumania.
25 Oct 20 UTC I think we're looking at 2 different boards. At least we all can see how it ended. A fairer result would've been Anlari and I in a 2-way as Anlari's play was exceptional. Debating all the other moves in pointless.
25 Oct 20 UTC Lol, true statement - I am just calling out your reasoning, but ultimately I was the loser.
25 Oct 20 UTC Yes, France, I tapped North Sea there. You were going to gain two centres, so also staying in North Sea would've been overkill. I was afraid you'd use the momentum to eliminate me. In hindsight, I was sort of correct.
25 Oct 20 UTC Got it.

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Turkey
Wusti (1433 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
France
anlari (8198 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Germany
Claesar (4656 D Mod)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
England
gimix (1491 D Mod)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
JRoz (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
Vecna (890 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
worcej (1225 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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