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Finished: 10 AM Fri 02 Oct 20 UTC
The Five Doctors-2
1 day /phase
Pot: 350 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
Classic, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
10 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
12 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1905: You know you’re in bad shape when you’re rooting for an Italian solo...
12 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Thanks pal
12 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I was mostly joking about how unlikely they are in general, nothing to do with you.
18 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1907: My very first solo was as Italy.
18 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1907: Gosh, well done. Seriously.
19 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: My first was as England.
19 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: As England was my first game ever. And as the very first move, I wanted to enter NTH from both LON and EDI...
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Oh, that's a good question. Most embarrassing move anyone ever tried to make in Diplo.

I'm in another game with a friend playing for her first time and she just tried to SH VIE with a fleet in TRI. So that's going on.
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Some battleships have powerful guns. If they can shoot ADR, why can't they shoot in the other direction with the same effect?
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: I played with friends, one of whom tried to drive their tank from north Africa to Spain.
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Sorry for the poor showing, all.

Germany, I hope we never meet again. I mean, not really. But kind of.

France, can’t tell you how pleasantly surprised I was by the lack of “I told you so’s.”

Russia, wrap up this solo, will you??
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: England - no hard feelings! I got burned as well, it happens in this lovely game :)
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: It’s all this lovely game is sometimes. No hard feelings for sure.
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: But I hope you get crushed.
21 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Lol
22 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (Szpoti): Turkey, it could have been fun with that convoy, but you've chosen to value a cheap solution of collecting more points over some advanced way of playing. My PhD supervisor uses to say quite openly, even in conferences, that 'some people are just dicks'. Let me join him in that opinion, and you, Turkey, join your folks. With your points that will allow you to join more games where you can collect more points.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Wait, is the moderator a player/former player in this game? Or is it a moderator spectating the game? Also, why is he coming for Turkey?
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I believe the moderator was France, and he's sore.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I didn't know you could moderate and play simultaneously. I guess it makes sense if you can't see press and stuff. I knew you could on Backstabbr but not here.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I once had a moderator on Backstabbr tell me to quit a game cause I was losing (I had one unit left and wanted to use it to screw over the guy who stabbed me) and I refused because it's my right to use my remaining unit however I want, and he *kicked me out of the game* when I refused. I quit using Backstabbr at that point.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I think it's funny that he thinks that's his websites imaginary points mean anything to anyone. But I guess if you moderate here and spend a lot of your time on it you buy into the hype.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yeah, can't say I agree with abusing mod powers to utilize press during a game state where the rest of us can't. But I guess it doesn't really matter at this point.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: When I created this game, I sent messages out to players from some of my previous games asking if players wanted to join, and the name of that moderator was one of those players. Can’t confirm if he or she actually joined this game, of course.

I’ve never seen anything even a little bit like that moderator message before. Really strange. The person who posted it could explain what happened, maybe?
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I can see that that mishap has already begun living its own life with some of the players having floated into the waters of exuberant imagination, therefore I feel obliged to explicate what has taken place. In that, I will try to remain restrained in my judgments, with words selected I order to convey clarity and impartiality.
Turkey has made a move that had not been agreed upon, which consequently led to my removal. Because I not only expected to survive, but also to perform a pivotal manoeuvre, I was vastly disenchanted by their decision. In the heat of my anger, I vented my frustration without realisation that the addressee was Global. As Germany rightly pointed out, it was the Retreat phase, which, in the rulebook variant, is a silent phase where no communication takes place. Due to my position as a mod, the system, however, accepted the message, and sent it as a mod announcement. I have immediately informed the Mod Team and the Admins. This case has been reviewed, along with the email subsequently sent by Turkey, by the higher-tier members of the Team, and has not been classed as ‘mod power abuse’, although I suggested that we might face such a claim, what, unfortunately, has taken place just now.

I apologise all those for whom the messages was not intended. Complaints regarding the incident should be directed to the Mod Team at webdipmod@googlemail.com. I, obviously, will refrain from engaging in reviewing the case.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: It seems pretty clearly inadvertent, and I don’t see how it could possibly affect the game. Just my two cents from the grave.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Spring, 1908: It would be hilarious if you convoyed me into BRE. It would be like a Hollywood movie if I even starte producing units!
Mon 07 AM Spring, 1908: That would be a comeback!
Mon 01 PM Spring, 1908: Sure I'll give it a go,why not
Mon 02 PM Spring, 1908: Excellent, I like unconventional solutions.
Mon 04 PM Spring, 1908: I'm genuinely sorry as I would have loved to do this, but I think the situation in the game means I can't afford to mess around this turn
Mon 05 PM Spring, 1908: The convoy will be 100% successful, and I don't think Germany would go for POR in this situation. But you advise against it?
Mon 05 PM Spring, 1908: Also the main idea behind your move into MAO was to expel the German fleet. Since he removed himself, what other purpose would your fleet at MAO have?
Tue 01 AM Spring, 1908: I'm going to keep the convoy order with the hope that you're going to keep it too.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: People can work out who is who.but I straight up told you
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I emailed as I didn't have another way to reply. I don't think you've a leg to stand on but at the same time it's not like it's any real problem
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Like you were a dick, but at the end of the day it's just a game on the internet
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkey, I'll message you after this game is over, and before you write another ridiculous email, bear in mind that all this is a player-to-player engagement, so please do not drag other, busy people, into the abyss of your problems. If you can't take constructive, and on many occasions non, criticism, I advise you not to pursue your PhD - academia is a pretty hostile environment where thin skin leads to nothing but depression.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I think this looks worse for you in this situation. I'm happy leaving it where you think I'm a dick and I think you're a dick.

We can both go on with our lives.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I only implied it, and thus it was fully retractable, but then you have only confirmed it with your actions. At the same time, you were comically explicit. But let's not bore the others here - you want to continue pouring your cesspit onto my head, take it into PM.
And welcome to the universe of Diplomacy where pseudo-medical terms related to body parts and their functions fly right, left, and centre, especially after a successful stab ;-)
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I'll offer my two cents here as well. Rule number 4: Keep press appropriate. This site has an entire section dedicated to its use for teachers and students. The comments including references to 'pseudo-medical terms related to body parts and their functions' as you so eloquently put it originated with you, France, and are frankly incredibly inappropriate coming from a moderator, posted to the public press, an area viewable to the aforementioned students to which the site caters.

If you're playing a game, play the game. If you're moderating, moderate. Don't mix the two; this whole situation has degraded the experience for everyone involved.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I can only suggest rereading my explanation, Germany.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: And if you put forward a claim, like in your last sentence, do provide an elaboration as to in way precisely way your own experience, as you cannot speak for 'everyone' has degraded.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: On top of that, you conveniently omitted the introductory part of the Site Rules you're trying to build your case on:

"Diplomacy is a game of many strategies and your discussions with other players can sometimes be hostile, impolite, and even uncivilized. These press strategies are all permissible on webDiplomacy and in Diplomacy in general. "

By the same token, you, Germany, seems not to take into account my very first sentence of my previous post. Thus, I reiterate my advice of rereading, preferably in an unbiased manner, if possibly.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: That is fair; and spelled out right there in front of me. I should have addressed that in my reply.

That said:

The difference is that you were name-calling and insulting after being eliminated; not as part of any legitimate strategy that would give you an edge in this game. It may not have been what you were intending, but it came across as pure spite as opposed to strategic intent, which is what that rule is predicated upon.

Maybe splitting hairs, but that's where I was coming from. Apologies if that didn't come across. Insulting a player's intelligence is all well and good as a part of the game; after you're no longer in that game, it becomes a personal attack - from a moderator, which isn't a good look for the site.

Just some constructive criticism; I'm not perfect either, and know I could absolutely improve in my communication as well.

I'm fairly new to Diplomacy (as I'm sure is evidenced by my play), and would like to continue playing. Toxic online communities just rub me the wrong way, and that's how your initial comment, and some of your replies, come across.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: I have to add, I see what Germany is getting at. I get that making it public was unintentional and I get that technically "uncivilized" conduct is fine under the letter of the rules. But I second what was said. You'd already been eliminated, it was purely an abusive message. Of course, you didn't mean to do it as a Moderator, so I think we should just leave it as "we all learned something about how the Moderator function works in the press," and move on. Another lesson could be, don't call people dicks on the internet unnecessarily over a game.

For whatever it's worth, I have very much enjoyed this game with all of you (maybe not Austria (I'm kidding, Austria, if you are still reading press). This has been hands-down one of the best games I've played in.
23 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Does anyone know how to mute press from games? I don't need to get notifications every 2 seconds for a game I'm a ghost in
24 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: You can mute each individual by tapping the speaker icon below the name of each power if you scroll down below the map, but I don’t think you can mute the global tab.
24 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
24 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: @ Austria: when you go to the Home page, on the right hand side, you can see all your current games. Below each, in the lower right corner (so to speak), there's a link-looking button 'Disable Notices', you can toggle it to dis- and enable notifications related to that particular game.
24 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: @Germany: I disagree, and will point out where exactly I think you're wrong in your arguments.
@Russia: I agree to the most, with some caveats.
To both I'll reply soon, I'm in class now ;-)
25 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Moderator: (dargorygel): Game Paused for two days by request. If there are issues please contact the mods.
26 Sep 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Unpaused via request. If there are any issues please contact the mods.
01 Oct 20 UTC Well that's me dead, good luck to you three still alive
01 Oct 20 UTC Thanks for the game all
01 Oct 20 UTC I figured you'd draw, but I still hoped for a clash of titans
01 Oct 20 UTC It would've been spectacular! I think T would have soloed, then. Great game, all!

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Russia
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Germany
schneeg (165 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
Turkey
Crayola (151 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
n8bback (1142 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
France
Szpoti (1446 D Mod)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Austria
Hannibal76 (246 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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