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Finished: 12 PM Thu 03 Sep 20 UTC
test-2950
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Dioptre (201 D)
29 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Hi All, good luck.
30 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
31 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
31 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: well crumb
31 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Hello friends
31 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Greetings new Russia
13 Aug 20 UTC Spring, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: hi i am new france
15 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Bienvenu
26 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: GG Russia and France. Sorry to see you eliminated before the end. I think this game gets decided one way or the other in 1909.
26 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: rip
27 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: So close, but I think I blew it. Why did I not bounce Tyrolia? I think I'm going to top out at 17 - successful diplomacy undone by poor tactical play at the end.
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Are we playing on or an honourable draw?
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Let me test whether we're in a stable draw situation first please. I think I'm actually going to start going backwards, but I'm not convinced the front line is stable.
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: As you say you are going to start going backwards and my intention is now for a 3-way draw between Germany, Austria and England. My draw offer will be withdrawn at 10:27pm.
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Yeah, a three way draw Germany/Austria/England isn't going to happen. You're on 12 centers yourself already, so it's really a choice of a 4 way draw, or one of the two of us getting to the solo. For that reason, I'm going to give up centers to Austria if I have to go backward, and hold against you.
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Fair enough. I think Austria and England will trust me before they trust you so let's see how it goes. Could be a long one!
28 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: I will stick to my promise of withdrawing the DRAW at 10:27.
31 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: Italy is now voting draw. If Germany chooses to re-join the vote for the draw, the game is now over. If Germany chooses to continue, Italy will co-operate with Austraia and England to block a German solo.
31 Aug 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yes, let us all agree to a four way Draw
01 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: This has all got a bit ridiculous. I am OK with the draw.
01 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: I assume Italy is going for the solo again but who knows.
01 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: This is fascinating, and obviously what I deserve after the way I played Russia, Turkey and Germany in this game. I don't think it makes any real difference to have this out in the open, and might increase the fun for all concerned.

Germany is trying hard to tempt me to do one of two things:
a) Eliminate Austria, to narrow the size of the draw;
b) Make another attempt at a solo.

Obviously they don't actually want me to solo, and they may be sincere about wanting to eliminate Austria. They may also be sincere about just being tired of the game and wanting it to end.

What I think is actually happening is that they want me to be the bad guy, so that there's no trust left between Italy, Austria and England as Germany pushes for a solo themselves. They're willing to allow a draw even, which is a really clever move. That way I'm definitely the bad guy if I keep the game going.
01 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: I'm going to take the bait. I'm going to let the game keep running. Germany is welcome to set their attacks and supports to capture Vienna if they wish. I may or may not try to take Budapest.

The only thing I'll publicly guarantee is that I'm not going for Vienna. Only Germany can break that support.

If the result is that Germany takes Vienna, and I take Budapest, Austria will be eliminated, and we'll see who is willing to draw after that. If one of us attacks and the other doesn't, we'll all have a bit more information.

If neither of us attacks Austria all year, we'll know that the draw is basically locked in.
02 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: It should be noted, Italy can Draw at this point, and all of the four dimensional chess that’s being attempted can just end. Or Germany and Italy can race to a solo in a free for all that Italy would probably end up winning.
02 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: I'm not pretending I can't just draw. I just think it will be more fun if Germany and I both try for a solo, and more rewarding for the winner. I think Germany feels the same way, or they wouldn't be trying to provoke me.

Also, think how much more satisfying for you to survive in the middle of that fight and take part in an eventual draw, rather than being gifted a draw now?
02 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1911: I’m fine with being gifted a draw, as you say.
03 Sep 20 UTC Not quite the way I'd liked it to have ended, but Austria surviving a game ain't nothing. Gg all, congrats Italy.
03 Sep 20 UTC Thank you Austria, and good game everyone (not just the survivors). Exceptional play and diplomacy by England and Austria to stay alive to the end, and by Germany to take a difficult position all the way to being in striking range of a win if a couple of things had turned out differently.
03 Sep 20 UTC I never wanted the win. My only aim was to defeat Italy. Once Austria not interested then no point going on. Personally I think a pretty hollow victory but if it makes Italy happy then good luck to him/her.
03 Sep 20 UTC That's pretty sour grapes there, Germany. The whole point of Diplomacy is to influence the other players, through communication and the building of in-game relationships, towards eventual victory. For what it is worth, yes, I am pretty happy about managing to do that, and I'm particularly pleased about the fact that at various points in the game I was working in co-operation with every other player.

If, at the end of the game, you and Austria would both rather let me win than co-operate - that's not a hollow victory, that's successful diplomacy.

I think the next game against you both I'll need to be anonymous and adopt a different messaging style, but I do hope it happens because you are strong and fun opponents.

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Italy
Dioptre (201 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
Germany
Hephaestus1 (215 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
10 supply-centers, 11 units
England
lfischl (53 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
sixaxis (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
France
Mr.Annoying21 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
brucemagnus (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Mxnugget (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
DrStro (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1901) with 4 centres.
schneeg (150 D)France (Autumn, 1905) with 3 centres.
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