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Finished: 10 PM Thu 23 Jul 20 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean Gunboat-2
12 hours /phase
Pot: 50 D - Spring, 8, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, No messaging, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
17 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 4: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 5: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
23 Jul 20 UTC GG all!
23 Jul 20 UTC Gg
23 Jul 20 UTC Boring. Useless to get a 2 front war from the start.
23 Jul 20 UTC Even better playing Greece... it's a 3 front war. Sadly my least favourite to play as here...

Still, congrats to the victors.
23 Jul 20 UTC Greece is definitely the best to play gunboat on this map...

I have no idea why would you attack me although you saw that Persia was moving towards you, Egypt towards Persia and me towards Carthage... You was the one guilty for 2 way front, it was never 3, Egypt took Crete at the very end after you already fall down...
23 Jul 20 UTC My move against you was defensive at first. I was expecting to get bounced in the Ionian... Egypt was moving against Persia and then just stopped, so the distraction I was counting on never happened. I also had no hope of getting builds by attacking Persia without completely exposing myself in the west.
23 Jul 20 UTC Rome and Persia are both in much stronger positions than Greece in gunboat.
25 Jul 20 UTC I feel silly saying this to someone with your amount of wins but I think you're wrong. You ceded the initiative to Rome. Rome needs to war with Carthage. Carthage opened aggressively toward Egypt who could not fully commit to ending Persia with Carthage on the offensive. Maybe I could have sneaked my way in if I'd tried harder but cut Persia some slack for his defense was good. Rome just opened on all frontiers and you ignored them.
25 Jul 20 UTC Personal opinion as someone who hasnt played much gunboat: you cant fully commit to one direction in gunboat. It won't give decent returns bcz the only acceptable return to full commitment is AT LEAST completely breaking the opponent's ability to harm you. You don't get enough time to do that before the other neighbor (Rome in this case) is knocking on the frontiers. Also Rome in this case played pretty aggressively which obviously was successful as he had biggest solo opportunity.
Seeing as we cant talk, tactics becomes everything right? Open to contrasting opinions I'm still trying to figure it out.
25 Jul 20 UTC Looking back the two front war could have been avoidable in my case. I couldn't let Leptis go.
25 Jul 20 UTC This is exactly the promise with Greece. Rome ALWAYS opens on all frontiers. Massila and Vind are guaranteed at the end of the first turn. I could have risked a bounce in Dal, I suppose, but I didn't want to fall behind. After that, Greece has no essy SCs. Rome is perfectly positioned to claim Dal while Persia takes Cher. Meanwhile, Crete will always be under threat from Egypt, but it is much harder for Greece to attack any logical Egypt holdings.

I did not not at all understand why you treated Carthage as a threat. Rome led basically the whole game and pressured Carthage, who also had the weakest start. I expected you to take Cyprus or Tyre without much difficulty when Persia overextended towards me, but when you didn't, I was overwhelemed. I find this very often happens to Greece, regardless of who I play as..
25 Jul 20 UTC http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=297927#gamePanel

My game as a Greece,

In my opinion as a Greece it is crucial to open to Epirus if you want a good relationships with Roma, because with that opening you cannot contest Vind and you basically say hey, I get Dal you get Vind and we go appart, also, as a Greece you cannot give both Dal and Vind to Rome, never...
25 Jul 20 UTC But that game I won mainly because Carthage and Egypt did not want to give up from Leptis committing a lot units to that fight what bought me a lot of time
25 Jul 20 UTC As soon as I gave up Leptis I had Egypt in my Malin land, just as I thought would happen.
25 Jul 20 UTC Yeah but you gave up from Leptis after 4 years of battling for it
25 Jul 20 UTC That is a bit different
25 Jul 20 UTC Good tip regarding Epirus, thanks! That makes a lot of sense.
25 Jul 20 UTC It is not different. Had Egypt only stopped at Leptis and not attacked me further, I could have done my job better. Carthago`s job is to stop Rom, Carthago can`t fight a 2 front war. And Persia did nothing to annoy Egypt in the West.
25 Jul 20 UTC Join the game at its final stages. Defend until your neighbors go 'nvm we are cool'. Draw the game. Profit.
25 Jul 20 UTC Hahaha
25 Jul 20 UTC You are missing the historical dimension:
Rome attacks Carthago
Greece attacks Persia
Persia attacks Egypt (and defends against Greece)
After the initial free SC’s, there will be a kind of balance in the game until someone gets greedy and makes a mistake.

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Rome
admirsk (597 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 25 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Egypt
Hannibal76 (246 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 16 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Persia
Babyburger (1564 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 11 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
Carthage
BlueRurik (25 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Greece
Ricsno (403 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
hipandcurrent (300 D)Persia (Spring, 5) with 8 centres.
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