Congratulations to TheFlyingBoat for finishing second at Tempest!

Finished: 08 AM Thu 12 Mar 20 UTC
Masurian Lakes-2
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 350 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by swordsman3003 (13181 D (G))
24 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
11 Mar 20 UTC Thanks for playing folks. Lot of new names I see here!! It's so exciting to encounter some new blood.

Tugster, happy to see you in my match as usual. I'm really curious to read your post-game comments!

Really weirdly, I've played two gunboat games back to back now where I got Austria and get a solo win as Austria by doing the same strategy. After showing someone the two matches (this one, and the gunboat match I played just prior to this), I started thinking that maybe I should write on BrotherBored.com my thoughts on how to play Austria in gunboat.

With that in mind I am especially curious for anybody else's post-match opinions.
11 Mar 20 UTC pfff, German incompetence...

just support hold Berlin at the appropriate moment. Obvious move in fall of 1908. Unrecoverable thereafter. game over.
11 Mar 20 UTC Good game
11 Mar 20 UTC Gonna have to agree with France on this one. I got in my own head when blue fleets kept advancing north in S08 after the Austrian solo was the obvious danger in A07. Couldn't see why MAO would go to ENG in S08 unless France thought Austria wouldn't solo soon. So I thought was dealing with a France that didn't see the threat, and I tried to out-think Austria, and played myself for the fool. My moves were unclear as well in A07, I should have stop attacking France a turn sooner. Ggs.

The austrian opening did peak my curiosity earlier in the game, because I've also been experimenting with trying to get R/A alliances in gunboat (generally as Austria). Would definitely be interested in a post about your attempts.

Only other thought is that I probably should have let England take LVP in A06, because France losing a build would have helped me much more than England getting back to two units would have hurt me. Might have cost me the war against France, and possibly prevented the timeline where I screw up defending Berlin :P
11 Mar 20 UTC I can't believe I got stabbed by THE brotherBored, what an honour!

Clearly my opening was little kiddish (basically just asking you not to kill me), but outside of opening Lepanto I'm not sure what I could've done differently. Austria's opening was textbook... Was there an indicator that I missed?
11 Mar 20 UTC Not opening*
11 Mar 20 UTC Germany, you supported yourself to hold in Brest, a french SC, in spring of 1907. I had to force you out in fall of 1907. And you still tried to hold it and you attacked me in Burgundy in the fall of 1907. I attacked back in spring of 1908. Normal.

Also your fall 1907 move was awful as well. Always support the lead unit, not the following unit. Trying for Prussia was the only way he could be in BOTH Prussia and Silesia. The correct move is Munich to Silesia supported by Berlin and Belgium to Munich (NOT BURGUNDY), supported by Kiel.

If you support yourself into Silesia, it's is 100% that he will be in either Silesia or Prussia, but not both. Trying for Prussia like you did, let him into both places.
11 Mar 20 UTC Italy, never convoy to Tunis, never. It's the worst possible move for Italy ever.
11 Mar 20 UTC 2 Italian armies at the top of the boot virtually guarantees long term survival against any threats.
11 Mar 20 UTC It's an incredibly common opening, but you're right, not gunboat safe.
11 Mar 20 UTC it is incredibly common, and it's a horrible move, not only in gunboat. Here is what it does.

- it places an army in a totally worthless position.
- it drastically weakens your homeland defense.
- to remove it from Tunis costs the use of one of your fleets, which you rarely can spare.
- so often that armies sits there, worthless, for a long time.
- never convoy to Tunis, just move in with the fleet.

then you build the second fleet, and if you want Tunis can go to West med, as an option.
11 Mar 20 UTC spring of 1902, one fleet goes to Ionian, the other to TYS, or west med. Armies in Piedmont and Venice are virtually indestructible. If you want to play nice with France or Austria, you can have them slightly varied in position, but both near the top. Lepanto sucks ass in gunboat too.
11 Mar 20 UTC "Always support the lead unit, not the following unit." Duly noted!
11 Mar 20 UTC Congrats on the win. I don’t feel like I ever really played this one.
11 Mar 20 UTC @HundoL
I disagree with Tugster. The opening you made is one I think is just fine up through Autumn 1901.

What I would have done differently, if I were you, is on Spring 1901:
NAP to TYR
TUN TO APU (via convoy)

The reason I would have done those moves instead of a Lepanto is that Russia moved to RUM with a fleet. Russia having a fleet in RUM gives Austria the option of allying Russia, which is exactly what happened. If Russia's armies were in GAL and RUM, I think it *could* have been a decent move to leave your army in TUN for 1 more turn, because probably Austria would have to prioritize resisting Russia. But with Austria able to ally Russia, the danger is just too great: it is better to convoy back into Apulia to see what happens. (You can still try for a Lepanto on a subsequent turn Austria commits against Russia; in fact, I think the Lepanto is more likely to succeed if you first seem like you're not going to do it!)
11 Mar 20 UTC Roger that.
11 Mar 20 UTC I mean why bother to convoy to Tunis, if you just have to take a turn to convoy it back? It's dumb. it's inefficient. Move the fleet to Tunis and then move the fleet back, and then you never have to leave your homeland open. Keep your armies at home.

This suggestion, can be accomplished more efficiently, by never moving the army to Tunis in the first place.

NAP to TYR
TUN TO APU (via convoy)

Imagine that you had never convoyed to Tunis, then the above just becomes Tunis - TYS and Naples to Ionian, leaving the army free to maneuver in another way. Or better yet, locked in place in BOTH Venice and Piedmont. no way can France or Austria attack you with two armies at the top of the boot.
11 Mar 20 UTC It’s good for defense not to convoy, but you can sometimes actually get away with a Lepanto, so I like the opening that keeps that option open. Also you can get away with a surprise attack on Austria sometimes that way. I certainly think the convoy opening is *playable*.
11 Mar 20 UTC you can lepanto from Apulia. Well, also, I never instantly lepanto, I always do a "waiting" move to verify what others re doing first to make sure it's safe. In that context, convoying to Tunis, never makes sense.

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Austria
swordsman3003 (13181 D (G))
Won. Bet: 50 D, won: 350 D
19 supply-centers, 16 units
Germany
pyxxy (666 D)
Survived. Bet: 50 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
Tugster (13048 D)
Survived. Bet: 50 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Russia
Cmdr Shears (1201 D)
Survived. Bet: 50 D
2 supply-centers, 3 units
England
TheDrownedGod (303 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Italy
HundoL (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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