Congratulations to shield, TheWizard, and DeltaAjaxNiner for sweeping the podium at EDC 2019!

Finished: 08 AM Fri 15 Nov 19 UTC
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5 minutes /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by ! (1669 D)
15 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1911: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1911: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Nov 19 UTC GG. I thought it was pretty lame of Russia to just give up at the end when there were decent odds of making a draw.
15 Nov 19 UTC I tried my best.
15 Nov 19 UTC GG. I'll learn this game someday. lol.
15 Nov 19 UTC gg
15 Nov 19 UTC Ggs everyone, that game was super fun. Gonna cool off a bit before critiquing anyone's play but my hot takes are:

@England, you gotta see that France is a threat to you and to go for a solo in winter 05/spring 06. With Italy weak and Russia stabbing me in BUD in F05, you must assume that Russia will weaken me and that France will take all of Italy and then come after you.

@Russia, speaking of that stab, comrade why :'( it was obvious but worse, it was weak, and I was the only person with the fleets to stop France from taking ION and conquering Italy. Even if you were committed to that stab and think it was a good play (fine, your opinion), you needed to STOP attacking me in 07/08 once France was pushing into my homeland. I could get more into my reasoning for this but I don't want to sound super critical/mean atm. I'm not angry I just disagree with your decisions. Ggs
15 Nov 19 UTC The solo was 100% on Russia.
15 Nov 19 UTC There was no chance of a draw)
15 Nov 19 UTC GG
15 Nov 19 UTC @Italy, sorry for stabbing you but it was such a good stab that I couldn't pass it up :|
@Germany, sorry for spending a long vacation in Munich
@Turkey, sorry for turning down your alliance offer...I already had plans >.<
15 Nov 19 UTC Yeah, your stab of me was my fault. I didn't see it. I woulda done the exact same.
15 Nov 19 UTC Curious why you took Munich so early, never seen Austria/Italy able to hold it for long
15 Nov 19 UTC Austria, I decided that you are a threat, not France in autumn 04.
15 Nov 19 UTC Yeah, I debated going after France, but I am new to this and waited too long to decide. I'm new enough that I don't really understand the comment about an alliance offer, how does one indicate that in a game with no messaging?
15 Nov 19 UTC Oh! Also I *almost* sent Munich to BUR in A03 and well I have major regrets not doing it XD I was hoping to be dislodged from MUN and retreat to BUR but Germany had lots of threats so probably a misplay on my part.

I took MUN because Germany built F BER in W01. To me, that meant that they would try for DEN again and move BER -> BAL. England would know that Germany would try for DEN again and wouldn't bounce them, and Russia might bounce BER -> BAL but not KIE -> DEN. Thus I figured that MUN would have no support to defend itself. I was right.

It also had the benefit of showing trust in Italy, while making Italy debate moving back to VEN and getting me into TYR. If Italy moves back, then I have a great reason to move BUD -> TRI and set up the stab for the next year.
15 Nov 19 UTC Really well played Austria.

Your alliance with Russia really threw me off in the early game.
15 Nov 19 UTC I appreciate the compliments. Imo I think R/A in gunboat could be a great shift in the meta for both R and A. The problem is that it will inevitably weaken Italy, who is needed for fleets to keep France in check (see: this game), unless everyone keeps doing the anti-France meta in which case Italy might do alright.
15 Nov 19 UTC And if R/A weakens Italy, then Italy has lots of reasons to just attack Austria in 1901, and then Russia will likely just pile onto Austria. But hey, that already happens ;)
15 Nov 19 UTC @Russia, I had no armies in BUD or VIE in S04, and I had just built a fleet. My intentions were clear, I was no threat to you. But again, your opinion. I wouldn't be so critical if you had stabbed better.

And it still doesn't rationalize your decision to keep attacking me in A07. In the retreats of spring 07, you could have disbanded GAL instead of retreating into VIE. This would have signaled to me that you understand that France was the real threat here as England was going to be overwhelmed in two years. Instead you chose to keep attacking me in A07 onwards, so I had no choice but to give ground to France hoping that you would realize their solo threat. You realized it too late :/ again, not angry, just pointing this out.

France had no naval resistance in the south once you attacked me and kept attacking me. I tried to not disband my fleets for as long as I could to, again, signal that I was willing to fight France if you would lay off. Not sure what else I could have down besides just suicide into France for the sake of everyone else making the draw :/ but even then, France would have killed off England and eventually pushed you to the stalemate line.

If we do the math for me just suiciding into France and letting you take everything, France loses GRE...and maybe NAP and VEN while still gaining Scandinavia. That's still 18 centers and that's still a solo. I hope my reasoning makes sense here. There was no point to me suiciding into France. The only hope was for you to stop attacking me.

You also never tried to attack Germany, another valid path to expansion. Nor did you move StP and try to sneak an army into FIN, or build another fleet. I thought it was clear that we had an R/A alliance and so I expected you to do these things, or similar things.

@England, in gunboat (no messaging) people use support orders to signal alliances. When I supported Russia into GAL in S01, that was a signal to ally which they accepted in A01 (for which I was very grateful) by not attacking VIE or BUD. This isn't completely standard or anything, Russia could totally have just attacked me in 1902 and I wouldn't feel betrayed. It's about guessing and trust. If you play more gunboat, you might want to read some strategy articles https://brotherbored.com/tier-list-for-gunboat-diplomacy/
15 Nov 19 UTC It was really unfortunate for me that Turkey decided to donate Bulgaria to you and then basically left the game... I had no opportunities for resistance until France swung around.
Tue 03 Dec UTC There's a sweet satisfaction in seeing the Russia that stabbed terribly and threw the game got banned.... :)

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France
! (1669 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
21 supply-centers, 17 units
Russia
Postulat (0 D X)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Austria
pyxxy (272 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
England
jarflax (102 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Italy
Restitution (86 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
MichiganMan (5217 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
lepardgeko (10 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
MichiganMan (5217 D)Germany (Spring, 1911) with 2 centres.
lepardgeko (10 D)Turkey (Spring, 1905) with 2 centres.
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