Congratulations to TheFlyingBoat for finishing second at Tempest!

Finished: 09 PM Mon 16 Dec 19 UTC
Meep Meep. Zoof
1 day /phase
Pot: 700 D - Autumn, 1920, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Puscherbilbo (917 D)
08 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (Claesar): Full disclosure: This game contains me and two of my students. This is allowed by the Mentor guidelines as long as we do not discuss the ongoing game in any way. We will not.

Give us your best!
01 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (Aurelin): Paused until Monday.
01 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (Aurelin): Whoops
01 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (Aurelin): There we go
04 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (Aurelin): Unpaused. Have fun!
08 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
22 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Moderator: (Szpoti): Dear Players,
On request of one of the players, this match has been paused till Monday.
25 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 1912: Moderator: (Szpoti): Unpaused now.
16 Dec 19 UTC Don't try to eliminate someone who can throw the solo.
16 Dec 19 UTC Well done Puscherbilbo.
16 Dec 19 UTC Yeah... sigh.

@Germany - way to get the message about the convoy one turn too late... we needed it one turn earlier to *maybe* turn the tide up north.
16 Dec 19 UTC Although - I'm not sure who you're referring to, Claesar.
16 Dec 19 UTC We had a ton of chances to stop the solo. It was too difficult to coordinate, along with some unsuccessful guesses.

I assume Claesar is talking about me, but I couldn't go anywhere... I got stuck because Italy refused to help beyond Austria. I didn't want to attack Italy. I didn't have much of a choice.

WP Puscherbilbo
16 Dec 19 UTC Was a rough game overall for me. I don't quite remember the early/midgame at this point, but I was trying my hardest to figure out something to break in the noth...
16 Dec 19 UTC That's an awesome will for Puscherbilbo! Got you some serious points!
16 Dec 19 UTC We had a nice I/T going, then Claesar, you stopped at Germany. You *passively* tried to help with supports into Galicia, but they were just show, trying to keep me on side. I was clearly doing my best to move around you. It looked like a 3WD (F/I/T) to me. I was content to push Russia out and hit Germany with you. Germany and Russia weren't going to let me through without your help... I don't understand what happened.
16 Dec 19 UTC Germany? You were supposed to eliminate Russia. Then we'd have a 3WD. Instead, you stabbed me in Spring 1909.

You continued to attack until Autumn 1910. By that time, Tunis was already lost so we had to settle for a 4WD by defending Mun/Ber together with Germany. I disbanded Ionian Sea to show you had to move there, but we never managed to coordinate in any way. Took us 8 turns to even get a unit into Apulia..
16 Dec 19 UTC Imho Italy and G/E both made the strategic mistake around 1906/07 not to play for the draw by letting the superior power of the other half expand.
Germany protected Russia and England never went for St. Pet.
Italy occupied plenty of my troops instead of helping me vs G.
16 Dec 19 UTC I usually consider it much easier for 3/4wdraw to just clean your half so as playing Turkey i most likely would have gone for italy even sooner.
16 Dec 19 UTC Personally i believe that solo was at least very close after taking Rome/Nap. Maybe i should have been more stabby in between. at one point Greece was left unprotected and so was Rome before. Later Holland.
There was some inspired defense from Germany but he needed to guess right every single time and luckily i eventually got one right as well.
16 Dec 19 UTC Yes, if Matticus had stabbed me earlier that could've made sense. Though the moment he did, it was suicide.
16 Dec 19 UTC Claesar, I hit a brick wall in Russia. You wouldn't help. I needed you to cut Bohemia. You wouldn't move... Then, you came back towards me (Tyr->Trieste).
16 Dec 19 UTC *cut Silesia from Bohemia
16 Dec 19 UTC At the very least, you sent mixed signals.
16 Dec 19 UTC I was worried you were going to try a quick stab.
16 Dec 19 UTC You weren't thinking Gunboat. You didn't give me time to react to the situation.

I wasn't sending mixed signals either. If you thought I was stabbing you, why didn't you cover Greece?
16 Dec 19 UTC You essentially held for two years on the Germany Russia front...
16 Dec 19 UTC Plenty of time
16 Dec 19 UTC Moving to Trieste in S08 was plenty suspicious. We obviously disagree.

I'll take my share of the blame for moving on you, but you act like the victim here. You can take some of the blame for sitting on your duff when I obviously needed some help.
16 Dec 19 UTC I still maintain that Italy should not advance Turkish growth too early. There is just no shared common interest anymore after a certain point unless France advances quickly in the north which i did not. I would argue that if you are dead set on T/I then feed Italy 1-2 centers while going after Russia.
This ties in again with my original thesis that the smaller powers made a strategic mistake in how to play for the draw.
16 Dec 19 UTC We obviously disagree. Autumn 1907 you already had a 50-50 on War/Mos by yourself. Another one in S08. I didn't expect Germany to support Warsaw in A08, but that turn you already set up to stab me.
16 Dec 19 UTC What's done is done. Thanks for the game all
16 Dec 19 UTC gg

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France
Puscherbilbo (917 D)
Won. Bet: 100 D, won: 700 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
Turkey
Matticus13 (3011 D)
Survived. Bet: 100 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
Survived. Bet: 100 D
3 supply-centers, 2 units
Italy
Claesar (4325 D Mod)
Survived. Bet: 100 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Russia
Chaqa (4228 D (B))
Survived. Bet: 100 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
Rylanzor (1909 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Austria
Fortress Door (1807 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
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