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Finished: 12 PM Wed 09 Oct 19 UTC
Slappers Only No Oddjob
1 day /phase
Pot: 175 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
11 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Just out of curiosity, what does "Slappers Only No Oddjob" mean? Is this a Bond reference?
11 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1901: yes
12 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck and have fun everyone!
15 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1902: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
26 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: GG all!
26 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: (And good luck...)
27 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1905: Thanks, I will need it! :D
05 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Gg
05 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: My only request is that R and T go for the 3way with E
06 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1908: I wouldn't normally interfere in a game i've been eliminated from, but since England did me dirty, i should point out that if the three of you don't work together england can very well solo. If england takes tunis its all over. I know people don't like 4 way draws but you should all take it, you don't have the right position against England for anyone to have a 3 way draw. It's 4 or an english solo.
06 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1908: I am pretty much in for a 3 way draw. There's no intention os solo here.
06 Oct 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Aint gonna be a solo so long as T stabs so he can grab Ven
07 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1908: Lol England, you are funny :) obviously you are going to try to solo win, the only question is if we manage to stop you or not... Probably not but...we will try to resist :)
07 Oct 19 UTC Autumn, 1908: So, lets try to make this short if possible :)

France kept their word to all they said up to know to me and I decided not to attack them (I am not kind of player who will just try to kill the country other two countries attacked only to get a few more points (it is still a draw))... England can not pass in the west, Russia will not be able to pass in the east, and although Vienna will fall, with my support Trieste and Venice should hold...

So, England and Russia, we had a great tactical game, I enjoyed playing this round with all countries, but could we now make this short and just finish as a 4 way draw? :))
08 Oct 19 UTC Okay. I agree to this proposition as well. France didn't lie to me as well. I became worried about the possible solo. But, it's about time. No hard feelings France. These things keep happening.

Lets draw if everyone agrees.
08 Oct 19 UTC Yes, i agree with england.
If everyone says then lets draw it 4 ways.
08 Oct 19 UTC only your vote is missing, Russia ;)))
08 Oct 19 UTC Done:p
08 Oct 19 UTC GG all!
08 Oct 19 UTC GG
08 Oct 19 UTC gg all!
08 Oct 19 UTC I have never been hosed that completely so early, but I really derped it up by deciding to trust England and trying to position to take Sweden. :P And I am not saying that as if you are untrustworthy or anything England - I would have done the same thing! I was impressed with how army-focused you were, most people forget to do that as England.
08 Oct 19 UTC I have to ask, was there anything in my press that made E/F want to ally versus me? Or was it more just... E/F looks good let's do it? I'm wondering if I slipped in any way with my comms.
08 Oct 19 UTC GG everyone. Germany, none of your commentaries changed my mind. It's just that I gave my word to England and I use to be a man's word. Later on, I realized I trusted in the wrong player, but as England says these things happens. In fact I was really up to try a 2 way draw with England, even when I know it's very risky in this scenario. But, oh well, a 4 way draw isn't that bad after all.
My special thanks to Turkey, without his help I would probably be out of this game. Well done everyone.
08 Oct 19 UTC Why did this game draw so early? I find it nuts that England drew here.
08 Oct 19 UTC France easily could've been cut from the draw here.
08 Oct 19 UTC How?
08 Oct 19 UTC Turkey yeets on France, England yeets on France, Russia yeets on France? It's not like this was gunboat. England was at no risk of being eliminated by Russia nor by France. And likewise Turkey was at no risk of being eliminated. To me this was a destined 3WD.
08 Oct 19 UTC Maybe I'm missing something, idk. England voting to draw is nuts to me, if he continued the outcome would have been a 3WD or an unlikely solo, impossible for him to be eliminated or for anyone else to solo.
08 Oct 19 UTC I did not want to attack France...
08 Oct 19 UTC That's pretty odd given it would have produced a 3WD. Not that it matters to me.
08 Oct 19 UTC Austria, I think that England had the forces to eliminate Russia, but I don't think France would ever have been eliminated unless Turkey was crazy, because weakening France would throw a solo to England.

I'm curious E/R/F, what happened in 1906 that caused England to sweep west but abandon StP and/or a shot at Warsaw? I think England could've picked up the momentum to solo there but the moves they took caused them to get no builds, and revealed their hand to France while France got two builds... so I think at that point France had the diplomatic and tactical capital to lock themselves down in the draw. At the same time it saved Russia... Russia could have very well been eliminated as part of an EFT draw. It's a strange looking turn but I assume there was some... diplomacy... involved. :)
08 Oct 19 UTC Weakening france would not have thrown it to England imho. England was nowhere close to crossing the stalemate line and was even many years away from taking stp. He would have ended the game at 17 SCs.
08 Oct 19 UTC Both France and Russia has been a good partner. I didn't have anything against both of them but France convinced me into attacking Russia and later on Russia did the opposite. I was going both ways without any real interest. I usually like to keep my alliances. Here I had no space to move without ditching anyone of them. So ended up attacking both. Haha.

Well, France needed to be there in the cut. I don't know if I should be sorry to France. But, I enjoyed playing it with France.
08 Oct 19 UTC Turkey only needed 1 more fleet in the med to make the stalemate line there.
08 Oct 19 UTC *2 more

Which he coulda gained from Nap and Rom
08 Oct 19 UTC Shortly, me attacking France would most probably mean solo win for England, so I decided not to risk...
08 Oct 19 UTC From how I read the board that just isn't the case. England can pick up 3 SCs easily, a 4th SC with difficulty, but he was never gonna take Tunis.
08 Oct 19 UTC Especially since russia coulda picked up Vie for a fleet build in StP, it was gonna be years until England could take stp.

Anyways. That's my opinion. Gg all.
08 Oct 19 UTC could be, you never no for sure, but anyway, I decided not to risk...
08 Oct 19 UTC Austria, i hope there is no grudge over here, well having a great ally, it was you who was best enemy till now i have got.
08 Oct 19 UTC No grudge at all.

I think that you could improve your play by lying less - a lot of your lies in the early game were quite obvious, so they gained you nothing, and I didn't trust you even when you were telling the truth later as a result. It ended up being bad for both of us.

But yeah, no grudges.
08 Oct 19 UTC Yeah i know, i made a mistake, but you were not ready at that time for any clarification, so that only turned us against.
08 Oct 19 UTC I am pretty agree with german and turkish point of view.
I also understand Austria, but my thoughts are more like the english. Maybe I am a romantic, but I do not remember any of my games stabbing a good ally. To me that's more important than the result of the game, as I play for fun. I'm very proud to have reached the 1721 points without a single stab. It was a big dissapointment to be stabbed by the english, but that's what the game is like, I know. Anyway, as the german said, it was not the best moment.
If I have to be honest I was expecting an attack from the turkish and therefore an english solo, but hopefully the turkish (in my opinion) had a good common sense and we drawed.

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England
Chanakya. (703 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
France
MakTub (1740 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Turkey
admirsk (597 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Russia
BrAcZtEr (104 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Germany
foodcoats (636 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Austria
Restitution (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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