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Finished: 10 AM Sat 27 Jul 19 UTC
Gunboat Live!-38
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
27 Jul 19 UTC If I didn't screw up with the Russian fleet, I would have been able to break out west sooner
27 Jul 19 UTC @ france okay i see that.
i haven't played gunboat before was wasnt aware of the draw vote politics
27 Jul 19 UTC I was dying trying to get west to france while he was fully engaged with england
27 Jul 19 UTC and how people try to make alliances without messaging
27 Jul 19 UTC yeah i was waiting for someone to come stab france in iberia for me
27 Jul 19 UTC England, in gunboat EVERYTHING is a hint or a clue to your thinking because we can't communicate
27 Jul 19 UTC yeah i see that now lol
27 Jul 19 UTC i was confused at why people were randomly supporting my armies
27 Jul 19 UTC Italy could have but destroyed its last fleet for some reason
27 Jul 19 UTC I check the orders often to see if there are supports put up by other people that failed because supports are a good sign of alliance proposals
27 Jul 19 UTC probably could have made some allies if i had paid attention to that
27 Jul 19 UTC England, if you haven't played gunboat before, go back and look 01 and 02. Austria didn't have to support me into Gre, he could have just let me take it. By him supporting me into Gre, when legit no one else could get to gre other than me and Austria, that was his way of telling me he wanted to have an alliance
27 Jul 19 UTC Then in 02, he took Rum and I put up a support hold of Rum, which was my "answer" to his alliance proposal over Gre
27 Jul 19 UTC that makes sense i will watch for that stuff in the future
27 Jul 19 UTC i was on a run during the first 4 years of the game and stopping for 30 seconds to enter my orders so didnt really have time to pay attention to any of the broader dynamics
27 Jul 19 UTC @Austria: "True France. If you and England instantly made piece in a gunboat when you had been behind his lines for years, yoi coild have stopped me. In other words, I had it wrapped up."
I am not sure about England, but I understood what needed to be done to stop you. As soon as I would have seen England voting draw, assuming you put yours down, I would have attacked you with all my units. You did not have enough units to defend both Munich and Berlin and I could have locked down Tunis. If you would have kept both Munich and Berlin, units in Tun, TyrS, Nap, Rom and Tus would have sufficed to stop you, too. So while you were a serious solo threat, I would not say that you had it 'locked down'. It would have been interesting to play it out.
As a sidenote, the reason I was behind English lines for years was because he was the one holding out his draw vote. And it worked in getting him to vote draw.
27 Jul 19 UTC Russia: I know I sucked. That's what usually happens when you do something the first time
27 Jul 19 UTC 5 minutes is hard for gunboat. I prefer 7 minute phases, those extra 2 minutes are important to see the rest of the board, check other people's orders for supports, etc
27 Jul 19 UTC Germany, your attack on Russia took some courage to do without an alliance in the west to have someone protect your flank.
27 Jul 19 UTC @Germany: The hints from Turkey are good for you to read, too. If you had checked the large map and/or the order logs, you would have seen that I have tried to support you to Belgium. This was a sign that I wanted to ally you against England. But since you didn't respond and went all in against Russia, I decided to ally England against you instead.
27 Jul 19 UTC gg all, that was fun
27 Jul 19 UTC Didn't pay attention to Russia's overtures of peace. I saw that he supported my units in 1901.
27 Jul 19 UTC @Germany (also interesting for @England): And the reason I originally wanted to ally you against England was because I interpreted your builds as a sign of friendship towards me, as they could be used to hurt either England or Russia, but not me. Also, I found the opening of England towards me aggressive. Russia signaled that he wanted to fight England by building a fleet in St. Pete north coast.

Just letting you know my thought process.
27 Jul 19 UTC @Italy: Thanks by the way for your attempt to support me to Venice. I did see it. The only reason I didn't capitalize on it after that was because you NMRd.
27 Jul 19 UTC @France: Thank you, that's very interesting to know. Certainly something I should remember in future gunboat games.
27 Jul 19 UTC France that is an interesting thought process on the German builds.
27 Jul 19 UTC @Austria: By the way, I think you played excellently - I am not disputing that.
27 Jul 19 UTC @Turkey: Accurate, though, since I did end up blitzing to Russia.
27 Jul 19 UTC The coordination between turkey and austria is very well done, btw.
27 Jul 19 UTC Anyway, thank you all for the game and the lesson.
27 Jul 19 UTC An Austria/turkey alliance is hard to maintain since there are so many opportunities to stab each other. I thought he was going to stab me a few times before he djd
27 Jul 19 UTC France I completely believe you would have done what you could after I stabbed Auatria, but its not simple. 1. He's going to retake Edi and Liv, so your northern units woild die. He's goi g to continue attacking your border for a while, so you coild send one or tao units at best, the ones in Spain and MAO. They would take years to get there. Depending on the state of Turkey at the time they do, he might think youre vulturing his last remaining SCs and actually fight your reinforcements. And even if all goes well, I coild at least hold venice because ill habe armies to support from Tyr and Trieste by the time you arrive. It MIGHT have been enough to force a 17 stalemate since I need either Kiel, Warsaw or Naples/Rome, but I really doubt it. The alliance structure in this game meant that you and England couldnt ever threaten me at home, best you could do is go to the med and for him to gridlock me at St. P, Germany. But that ALL has to go off and Turkey has to put up a strong defense to slow me down.... in gunboat. I just dont see it happening.
27 Jul 19 UTC Well, it would have depended on England realizing what was going on.
27 Jul 19 UTC france in the final turn you moved all of your units in the direction of britain, i’m pretty sure you weren’t planning some grand diplomatic pivot east
27 Jul 19 UTC No England, all that time my main objective was stopping Austria from soloing. As you were the one holding out your draw vote, I attacked you to make you vote draw. I succeeded in this objective, by your own words:

"(To: Global, from England) - why do people vote to draw in these so often
(To: Global, from England) - like when there are still 4 people left
(To: Global, from England) - i did it because i was losing but not sure why all 3-4 agree to it so often without a stalemate"

So by attacking you, I have successfully helped to stop the solo; i.e. attacking you was the right thing for me to do to stop the solo. If you had voted draw but Austria hadn't, then my best move to stop the solo would have been to go after Austria. Which I would have done.

In your last message you implied that I am lying in this post-game discussion and making this stuff up. If that were true, I would be pretty bad at board reading. You can believe me when I tell you that I am not.

The main thing I am wondering right now is how you would have reacted if I suddenly did some 'grand diplomatic pivot east'. Would you have continued attacking me? If so, then yes, Austria would've won.
27 Jul 19 UTC i’m not saying you’re lying but your game actions didn’t match a rapproachment
27 Jul 19 UTC technically you did stop the solo but i don’t think getting a draw vote because austria forgot to turn off its draw vote really counts
27 Jul 19 UTC We drew, so it counts.
27 Jul 19 UTC Question: Did you realize about Austria's solo potential?
27 Jul 19 UTC Yes like 2 years before the end i was looking for a public press chat to ask you for peace
27 Jul 19 UTC but apparently there werent even any global messages allowed during the game
27 Jul 19 UTC That is good to hear from you. It makes sense, too, but you did not give off any signal that you wanted to have peace with me. You could have done this in different ways. You could have voted draw, which you eventually did. You could have also stopped attacking me and/or supported my units (e.g. you could have used Ruhr to support Burgundy to Munich - you didn't use the unit for anything else anyway, and I would have picked up on it). Now I get that you were unaware of signaling in gunboat; I am just saying what you could have done and how I would have reacted, and why I, being used to players signal in some way, was unaware of the fact that you wanted to have peace.
27 Jul 19 UTC I mean it does count because we'll never know how things go. And for all you know, I could be lying about forgetting to turn off my draw.
27 Jul 19 UTC Austria you talk a lot about soloing for a guy who in 48 games on webdip has soloed exactly 0 times.
27 Jul 19 UTC Guys, France's ghost rating is 79. You guys should sit back and soak up the knowledge he is trying to impart on you.
27 Jul 19 UTC Yeah and it would have beem 47 and 1 if I hadn't blown it.
27 Jul 19 UTC I'm not afraid of anyone's rating. This game is an equalizer. I'm also not about to underestimate an inexperienced player, especially im gunboat. All it tales is an understanding of the mechanocs and yoi coild beat the #1 player in the world.
27 Jul 19 UTC I didn't say you have to be afraid of him or anyone else, just listen and learn
28 Jul 19 UTC Thank you Turkey. I have to say though, my gunboat results are meager in comparison to my press and even 1v1 results. I only play gunboat in live games and have yet to develop a good instinct for when I should stab and when I can expect a stab, as well as reading other players.
28 Jul 19 UTC France I mean no offense I'm just being boisterous for the fun of it.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Austria
FiftyFifty (107 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
England
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Turkey
kanosha (95 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
France
Mercy (2094 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 18 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
Roach411 (193 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Germany
Dagesman (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
gdc26 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Roach411 (193 D)Italy (Autumn, 1905) with 1 centres.
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