Congratulations to TheFlyingBoat for finishing second at Tempest!

Finished: 06 PM Thu 01 Aug 19 UTC
Fire & Ice
18 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Russia I struggle to see how it's England and I versus everyone else on this board. You still maintain the largest number of centers. Austria has found himself surrounded by you and Italy. His only option to gain centers is to attack one of you. An attack on Italy would be foolish, because it would make my life easier. That leaves you. But instead of turning to attack you, he's just supposed to sit tight?
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @England, no worries, I’ll still hog the text box like the glutton I am.

@Italy, the threat to move NAF to MAO is as strong as actually moving there. France either must move SPA there, or self bounce SPA and MED. Likely the former, as they will want MED to either risk Tunis, move to TYN, or support GoL to TYN. So it depends what you value.

Short-term loss for long-term gain might be to support TYN to MED with NAF, setting up MED to MAO in the spring again with NAF’s help, if France only has SPA to defend which is possible if they don’t build. They would build if they took Tunis while you did this.

But! You also have Austria’s fleet at your disposal now. It can move to Tunis to predict a bounce (public press makes this tricky). Either way you lose Tunis, which sucks, a short-term loss for a long-term gain.
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @France, having the largest number of centers matters less when Russia has two fronts. You know this. I know this. Remember I started with four? That was already one more than you!

Ah, I see you’ve started the press to turn Austria and I against each other, so the E/F can roll through the board. Let’s count Austria’s options of who to attack again. Hm, well you ruled out Italy, and why, you said I’m the largest power and oh so scary, so why would Austria pick a fight with me? Not to mention our excellent friendship and newly established DMZs. Wait...that leaves...you?

Funny how you only start sweet-talking Austria when you see yourself in the crosshairs.
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Austria, be careful, your SC's will help your Russian "friend" get a solo. Don't do his work for him.
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @England, please see my message above to France where I snark about E/F trying to pry apart R/A. Cheers <3
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia, i'm being so overt, it's covert
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: england, if you support me to st pete, russia can cut the support with sweden.

instead, i propose that i will support you from norway to st. pete with livonia. will you take it? i'll do this in exchange for you not taking denmark and kiel this turn.
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: and england, if you have second thoughts, just consider that you have 4 units around denmark and kiel and can take it whenever. its not like i can really reposition to change that. on the other hand, i have something unique - units embedded on russian front
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'll take it Germany
26 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Nor-StP
27 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: @England, did you predict SWE -> DEN? Or BAL -> DEN / LIV -> DEN?
27 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: and ggs Turkey
27 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I don't recall
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @Austria, France, Russia - what's the plan? Defeat Germany. & Italy then draw?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: That's a reasonable plan. But does that mean no more attacks on each other?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I can sign on to that plan. Thoughts from Austria?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yeah I can see that plan working
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: "But does that mean no more attacks on each other?"

What is your view?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: We need to take 4 SCs

Tun = France
Rom & Ven = Austria
Ber = England

Agreed?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I can agree to that
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Good
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Thought you might
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think we can guarantee all those moves this turn?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I can cut Prussia. Besides that I’m useless.

And no more attacks on each other means none of us lose centers, we only gain. Well, I gain nothing. But my part of the bargain is cutting Prussia and not stabbing Austria.
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: All moves except Austria to Rome
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: F is right about Rom, that will take a turn more
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Okay, that’s still good enough for me. I’ll back away from the Balkans to prove my intent. England, I expect BAL to take BER to prove your intent?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: NP
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: ....England, you really just hate being told what to do, eh?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Eh?
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: You didn't confirm no moves against each other.
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: gg all.
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I dont know how you trust each other to draw
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Here is what i see:

1) austria can take PIE with TYR + VEN

2) Russia can take BUL and RUM in one year

3) once England takes BER, there is a shot at Munich

Any of these outcome breaks the draw. There is simply no deadlock to warrant the conclusion that any player intends to draw
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @England, and if you had made it into Sweden, then what? Intent to take a center is not really far off from taking one. Germany brings up good points about why the rest of us should trust you are actually dedicated to a draw.
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: ggs Italy
29 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I’m happy with what I have right now but if push comes to shove I’m backing Russia’s play
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Keeping with the plan to draw, @England will you actually take Berlin, or do I need to? Looking at WAR -> SIL and then PRU -> BER in the fall?

I ask because while I have no problems with our draw plan, I can't really trust you to move BAL where it needs to go. So I can take the heavy, difficult burden of capturing Berlin off your shoulders.

Oh and Austria, might need you to move BUD -> GAL to prevent SIL from moving there.
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: @England just take Berlin and do the draw. Germany brings up good points. Let's end it here and call it a game.
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Firstly, apologies for the attack. I was unnerved by Russia's non-confirmation of no attacks against each other.

I will take Ber.
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Ah, okay, apologies on vagueness then. When I asked "no more attacks", I meant to imply that I was agreeing to no more attacks. Clearly my intent was...unclear. That's my fault.
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: My nervousness was why I asked you for confirmation.

Anyway, NP

Can you support Bal-Ber?
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: It is done.
29 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Thanks
31 Jul 19 UTC Draw vote cast
31 Jul 19 UTC Draw vote cast
31 Jul 19 UTC And by me
31 Jul 19 UTC Well drawn everyone, and gg to all
31 Jul 19 UTC Gg all, great game. This was my first public messaging only game. Gotta say, I liked it a whole lot more than I thought i would.
01 Aug 19 UTC ^same, I wasn't sure how to navigate it at first but it definitely grew on me.

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Austria
3d5x9gh (226 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Russia
pyxxy (666 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 10 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
England
diplomat61 (243 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 8 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
France
joshflo (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 6 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
idealist (680 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
Bob Al Hubob (1191 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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