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Finished: 10 AM Mon 01 Jul 19 UTC
The Terrible Tortoise Shell - Part 2
7 minutes /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
0 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Jul 19 UTC There's a block list on here, right?
01 Jul 19 UTC This is getting ridiculous. If you draw, England, the game's over. Done
01 Jul 19 UTC yay!
01 Jul 19 UTC I was just thinking it through. I could have taken Kiel and Berlin, but no way to break into Munich, Warsaw, Moscow, or Tunis. Wanted to be sure.
01 Jul 19 UTC Jowe, I hope you're more pleased with tonight's results :)
01 Jul 19 UTC I knew you were Austria, Magnetic!
01 Jul 19 UTC Ahh... got it. Chaqa, I was *sure* you were Italy... with Italy coming out and talking about the Key Lepanto... surprising. Unsurprising that you did well, though..
And of course, great to work with you, Emmaline!
01 Jul 19 UTC You should have known I wasn't because I would never have stuck with an alliance that long.
01 Jul 19 UTC thanks. great partner.
01 Jul 19 UTC gg england
01 Jul 19 UTC I would have stabbed you somewhere between 1905 and 1908.
01 Jul 19 UTC Here's the thing. It was rather confusing. From 1901-1905, I was thinking you were Italy. I was waiting.... waiting... waiting for the stab, and it was sort of a proud moment for me, because I thought I had persuaded you to work with me.
01 Jul 19 UTC Once again, I continue my streak of losing Liverpool :)
01 Jul 19 UTC for how badly we started, that was a great end.
01 Jul 19 UTC for how badly we started, that was a great end.
01 Jul 19 UTC I know! I was thinking we were doomed, but again, my second Key Lepanto went well.
01 Jul 19 UTC again, all due to an idiotic Russia
01 Jul 19 UTC everyone's going to start doing it now
01 Jul 19 UTC Although the Key Lepantos went well... I don't want to make it a habit. Hachiman was right, they admittedly get rather boring by the end. I didn't solo because it's nearly 2 AM and a solo would have taken hours if it was even possible
01 Jul 19 UTC If Russia weren't slow as molasses the jug would've had us. The jug was so close, with Germany being so wishy-washy
01 Jul 19 UTC Close? I wouldn't say that. Original Russia was half coherent, he legit said stuff that made zero sense or flat out did not happen
01 Jul 19 UTC I suspect he was legit drunk
01 Jul 19 UTC Things did NOT look good for us in Autumn 1902, Hachiman. If Russia hadn't been doing anything with Germany, it would have been GG for us.

Regardless, though, both games came down to a weak Russia. You're absolutely right.
01 Jul 19 UTC oh god autumn 1902
01 Jul 19 UTC oh god the fucking nerve of Germany, I TOLD him to go for Vienna
01 Jul 19 UTC I literally told him Apu would go to Ven
01 Jul 19 UTC and the idiot went for it anyways
01 Jul 19 UTC I TOLD Russia that we would be taking Sweden, and that he should disband it into an army for the south, and if he did so, I wouldn't take St. Pete until much later in the game. Russia told me by taking Sweden I was guaranteeing the game goes to A/I or Turkey...

I don't know what he was thinking.
01 Jul 19 UTC Germany had some VERY good ideas and some VERY bad ones.

He told me he was building a fleet, after saying an army, and then said it would say "in port" and then moved it to Holland... and said "it's a port!" and got upset I took it as a stab.

His tactics on some parts were on point, though.
01 Jul 19 UTC Huh, in Spring 1903 he told me he wasn't afraid of you, Eng
01 Jul 19 UTC Why he didn't move to defend StP I have no idea
01 Jul 19 UTC 09:10 PM (To: You, from Italy) - Spring, 1901: Key Lepanto? Let's go balls-out on this one.

@Hachiman
01 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1902: If you're looking for an opportunity, I recommend moving for Vie
08:44 PM Spring, 1902: I can't kick him out of vie.. I might be able to get into tri or ven though
08:45 PM Autumn, 1902: You won't Apu will move to Ven
08:52 PM Autumn, 1902: nigga are you serious I literally told you that
08:54 PM Autumn, 1902: I know but he had to cover both of them
08:55 PM Autumn, 1902: I'll be in pie now as well
08:55 PM Autumn, 1902: He will build in Ven and Austria wil build in vie
08:56 PM Autumn, 1902: I understand that. I'm trying to keep them in check
01 Jul 19 UTC I just can't make sense of why he'd go for Ven anyways when it's an obvious bounce from Apu, if it's Trieste I might understand but I advised him Vie would be better
01 Jul 19 UTC and speaking of that
01 Jul 19 UTC I don't see why he ever sent his armies south to begin with. In Spring 1902, why would he not move one to Burgundy. He stranded an army in Marseilles, and seemed to think he would hold it.

Why did he build an army in Berlin over Kiel? Did he not want to take Belgium?

So many questions.
01 Jul 19 UTC Italy, what were you doing in Vie? You had the rest of the players all puzzled over your intention
01 Jul 19 UTC I figured it was a stab
01 Jul 19 UTC It couldn't be a shuffle to swap with Austria since you have no reason to hold an SC that far our
01 Jul 19 UTC What puzzled me even more, was that Austra didn't move for Trieste
01 Jul 19 UTC So obviously Italy was counting on the bounce on Trieste
01 Jul 19 UTC But that would mean he takes 2 of Austria's home centers
01 Jul 19 UTC And to answer your question, England, I told him (as I told all of you) of Austria and Italy working together, he was most likely responding to that. As for why he didn't move for Belgium, my guess is he wanted to save that for you to encourage further cooperation
01 Jul 19 UTC I suppose. He was a good ally, all in all.
01 Jul 19 UTC Austria asked me to move into Vie to push against Russia
01 Jul 19 UTC And yet in Autumn no Austrian units moved for Trieste to even the SCs between you to.....it takes balls to focus instead on offense and gambling on Rum
01 Jul 19 UTC He would have supported me to Gal I think was the plan
01 Jul 19 UTC That was really wild that Italy took Tri in S01, held it for the entire game, and IA remained allied the whole time.
01 Jul 19 UTC Only because moving up to Rum failed due to me and Russia
01 Jul 19 UTC Yesterday I had a match with Austria (as Austria too lol) where we had bad communication and he ended up taking Budapest instead while my Bud was in Greece and Serbia was wide open

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England
Chaqa (4027 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Austria
Magnetic24 (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
12 supply-centers, 11 units
Italy
Emmaline (151 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
France
Jowe (954 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Germany
kanosha (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Turkey
Hachiman (497 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
ppaez (100 D)Russia (Autumn, 1903) with 4 centres.
UnsuspiciousAlly (0 D X)Russia (Autumn, 1908) with 0 centres.
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