Congratulations to TheFlyingBoat for finishing second at Tempest!

Finished: 11 PM Tue 30 Jul 19 UTC
Bigger Chungus
1 day /phase
Pot: 455 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: We are social animals and we care about each other and enjoy sharing our victories over weak players.
19 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Take Tunis first... for the couscous.
20 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Venice is tasty too.
21 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Venice not tasty enough. Need something else.
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: LOL
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: I'm weak eh
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: You're bad tho
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Finish me off you pro you
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: I prefer to nibble. I like to watch my victims squeal.
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: When do we get to give the speech that you two need to just have sex already to get it out of your system?

22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: I think turkey’s already penetrated Italy pretty hard
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Ouch. I set that up nicely, didn’t I?
22 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1907: Just wait. It is going to be delicious.
23 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: I wonder how Roma and Napoli will taste. So far I am not satisfied.
23 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Italy made friends with the dead. Poor strategy I think.
24 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: I am awful hungry, maybe I will eat both Roma and Napoli.
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: The ol' FRT alliance. Guess you all like FARTING. lololololol
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Nasty Italy's alliance of one.
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: The alliance of I!
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Individualism and creative genius live on yet in the freeholds of Napoli and New Carthage.
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: Malefactors like you are to be crushed by the alliance of the merciful and benevolent.
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: EVIL EMPIRE!
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: We love nasty malefactors and lovingly work with them to correct their misguided beliefs and game strategies. Italy will come out of this a corrected decent individual.
25 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1908: First, though, we must exercise you of your incorrect thinking and actions. To question the motives of the Turkish Boa, what decent, upright person would do such a thing?
28 Jul 19 UTC Turkey and Russia: I see you have both violated our agreements and are going to seek to either whittle down my units or eliminate me completely.

This leaves me with only one option. I will have to throw the game to one player or the other to insure that one of you solos. This threat is the only weapon a player in my position has.

Russia - Please retreat from Munich this round.
Turkey - Please retreat Piedmont this round.

If both of you retreat, we can forget this happened and have our draw.
If one of you retreats and the other doesn’t, I will help the retreating player solo.
If neither of you retreats, I will randomly choose one of you to help solo.

There is no point in any further diplomacy, as I have no reason to trust either of you. So, we’ll just have to see your moves at the end of the year.
28 Jul 19 UTC We are not going to kill you. We are not going to solo either.
28 Jul 19 UTC We are just testing you.
28 Jul 19 UTC And I am eating the last of Italy, finally.
28 Jul 19 UTC You’re not going to solo. Russia I wouldn’t be so sure of.
28 Jul 19 UTC No I’m not
28 Jul 19 UTC Alternatively, I have voted draw. If Russia and Turkey (and presumably England, Italy, and Germany) want to go ahead and wrap this up, they can simply vote draw.
29 Jul 19 UTC Only a fool would believe you at this point Russia. You have your draw but you’re attacking. If Turkey doesn’t stab you immediately you won’t be stoppable
29 Jul 19 UTC I'll wait until after retreats, disbands and builds are complete. If the game isn't drawn at that point, I'll flip a coin to determine whether I help Russia or Turkey solo. Heads will be Russia, tails will be Turkey.

I'll let everyone know the results in the general chat and then start messaging the winner to coordinate strategy.
29 Jul 19 UTC Bitter guy. I think we need to smother him with love.
29 Jul 19 UTC Jugg Love
29 Jul 19 UTC I am here for the Chingus. Looks like Russia has the Biggest Chingus.
29 Jul 19 UTC I voted draw just to please you, France. No love for you, France. I wanted to smother you with love like I smothered Italy, you would have liked it.
29 Jul 19 UTC I'm not bitter. Just rational. I obviously cannot effectively fight both of you at once because of your numerical advantage in units.

However, your alliance with Russia has one weakness: the closer both of you get to 18 units, the easier it is for one of you to break out and solo. Leveraging that weakness in an effort to obtain a draw with our current borders is the only viable path forward for me. At this point, neither you nor Russia know who will be the beneficiary of my assistance, so you both have some incentive to draw. Creating that incentive to draw is the best chance I have. So it's not an emotional decision, it's a tactical decision.

Also consider that I have no way of knowing who has voted to draw. So I cannot favor the person that voted draw. I have to decide who to favor randomly. Once the decision is made, then the person I am assisting will have every incentive to try to solo and no incentive to draw. At that point, I will have no option but to carry out my threat.

So, I would ask Turkey and Russia to carefully consider what happens if they lose the coin flip when making the decision whether to vote draw.
29 Jul 19 UTC Good game and good luck all!
29 Jul 19 UTC If it's of interest, there is a stable Jugg 2-way:

Note that Turkey needs Rum, Bud, Vie as part of that draw.

So they're either going to let you live France or stab each other. :D Should be entertaining!
29 Jul 19 UTC While a stable two way draw may exist in theory, getting there in practice is extremely difficult.
29 Jul 19 UTC And, as Italy has pointed out, it would require Russia to give up a significant chunk of real estate.
29 Jul 19 UTC Good luck to you France.

Well fought everyone.

I shouldve eaten what I could of Austria when I had the chance!
29 Jul 19 UTC So you abstained from doing that just out of pure generosity?
29 Jul 19 UTC Italy, you should have attacked France as I asked you. I didn't want to kill you. But I had to because you wouldn't obey me.
30 Jul 19 UTC Good game all. Thanks to Italy for never attacking me on my southern flank. Thanks to Russia for being a good partner throughout (notwithstanding the Munich misunderstanding). Thanks to Germany for being a good sport after I stabbed. Apologies to England for coming after you all game. Thanks to Turkey for the draw.
30 Jul 19 UTC France’s analysis was right and it worked. Good game all!
30 Jul 19 UTC Well played france
30 Jul 19 UTC Shoot, we shouldn't have drawn just yet. Our plan was to take a few more SCs so we could get more Chingus. And then draw.

Russia was a great ally, and Italy and fun enemy. Thanks guys. I did get some Chingus. I don't think I have ever had so much.
30 Jul 19 UTC It was a fun game thanks everyone

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