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Finished: 07 AM Wed 03 Jul 19 UTC
Slippery slippery snek 2
1 day /phase
Pot: 50 D - Autumn, 2003, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by kissemo (3143 D)
17 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2001: Moderator: (jmo1121109): Due to objections this has been unpaused. If the player is not able to enter orders their position will be available to be taken over.
18 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2001: Should we all still vote pause, so Germany doesn't miss a bunch of turns, or is there a very good reason the game shouldn't be paused?
18 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2001: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2001: Hello, New Germany here.
21 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2001: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
21 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2001: Welp, guess this game will continue whenever Spain decides to enter orders, or when they get removed for not entering orders. See ya'll in 1-2 days I guess.
22 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2001: Hey Guys, I'm going to be gone for the next indeterminate amount of time, and I don't want to hold up the game for like, the next month, so I'm just going to let the game kick me and get a replacement, okay?
23 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2001: Darn it, I'm really getting on a roll here.
24 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2002: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
24 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2002: New Turkey here!
24 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2002: Hi new Turkey.
24 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 2002: Welcome! :)
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Italy, good game - great job with convincing Germany I offered you a "deal". Of course, you have to be blatantly stupid to a degree in order to even believe it, but a hell of a sales job you did convincing him Italy!
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: @Italy, After this game is over, you don't mind posting the messages where you convinced Germany, do you? I am certainly curious on how you accomplished it, and whether I can use anything from it to apply to my future games.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Yes, Italy is a smart girl. :)
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Italy did a nice job getting Germany to stab me as well.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Wasn't that his predecessor? Eh, he should of seen that backstab from Italy coming though - shouldn't of been so dumb to leave them wide open like that for Italy.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: sheesh....you just can't trust anyone...
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Germany believed Italy's bullshit - there's nothing I can do about it when he says he won't listen to anything I say anymore. He thinks this somehow hurts me - when I have nothing invested in this game...
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: well, italy is still 9 centers from the win.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: End this quickly Italy. Both Germany & I are letting you win.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: You should have seen what he told me. First he said he was looking forwards to a strong alliance, then he said that he was declaring war on me because both Britain and Germany commanded him to and he didn't want to start any trouble with them. Strangely enough, Germany offered to stay out of it and Britain was my only ally.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Then I asked him about it and, all in one message, he basically said "I'm sorry you think I stabbed you. I told you I would stab you and then I stabbed you. I didn't lie. It was necessary for me to lie to you so I did. No hard feelings."
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Oh well. I can't complain too much. It's a winning strategy.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: oh, woe and ruin. sackcloth and ashes. all my partners have turned against me.

and the few that haven't were deposed and the usurpers have turned against me.

i am beset by foes, a doe in the wilderness and i hear the wolves howling.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: @Russia - the only hope of stopping Italy's solo died when it was revealed Germany was stupid enough to believe anything Italy said to the point of throwing the game as a result of what Italy said.
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Hi all! :)
You wrote quite a lot, but sorry, I can't answer as much, because I'm on holiday with family, guess where: in Italy. :)) But I try.
So, I'm sorry if you feel bad and give up, I thought you still have good position and it seemed an interesting part when everybody will be against me.
Actually I'm sad that so many player changed, it makes the game very different. I wouldn't stab Germany I had a strong alliance with him but after the revolution there I was really afraid from a stab, so I need to step first.
To Pjsticha: I never told to the "old" Germany to stab you, it was his decision, I was just speaking with him, that you make my war more difficult at Spain. I wasn't happy because of that, while he could fast gain new territories at you, faster then me at Spain.
To Woogasnerk: You didn't seemed to be a good ally after you moved out your units from France without warning. I think I was fair that I warned you before I attack, Germany while he was not attacking you but he was helping me with support. I agreed with him on that he had other tasks on the east. And you also attacked England in Morocco without warnings, I don't know why you did that, but after it he clearly said that I should attack you, I felt a little bit betrayed when he helped you, without warn me.
To ChippeRock: you are in a different league, we (or at least me) are beginners. So, don't be surprised if we don't do everything as you think. Maybe, you asked to much from Trickstar, and he don't want too choose you to win instead of me.
So, I hope you all will enjoy your next games, I will try to win this fast.
Thanks this game!
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: @Italy, he clearly stated that you said I offered you "some deal". I understand that you can't reveal you were lying to Germany right now since you can still be stopped, but after the game, could you post the conversation where you managed to convince Germany that I had offered you a "deal"?
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Right, I "attacked England in Morocco without warnings".

Kissemo: "But I think you should have Marocco, because I think England will take a one territory anyway."

Also Kissemo: "Germany also told me that Britain will attack you. Did you speak with him? I think you should first go to Marocco"
26 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Britain is an honest nation and had no intention to betray our spanish allies
27 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
27 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Just to speak on the whole stabbing me thing. Italy was 100% manipulative for their own gain the entire time. That being said, I wholly support their solo because of things that Turkey said.
27 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: I was upset with the stab at first, but Turkey has turned me around and helped me accept our new Italian overlords. Pizza Pizza, my friends.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: You were turned around the moment you actually believed Italy when he claimed I offered him some "deal".

To make it worse, you're too stupid to even tell me the supposed "deal" I offered Italy so that I could point by point prove it was a lie.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Pizza Pizza, friend. Pizza Pizza.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: I see you're talking about your future career...
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Youch. Ad Hominem hurts, friend. I have accepted my new job in Italy. It is virtuous to craft pizza for our overlord, is it not?
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Don't get on me about rhetorical fallacies - you're the one that was STUPID enough to BELIEVE ITALY (Ya know, the guy who's trying to solo and will 100% lie to do so!).
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Italy is not just a "guy". Italy is our overlord, and you shall address them as such.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: They are quite merciful. I'm sure they will let you live.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: You've been muted - idiot game thrower.

Hopefully you'll eventually learn that the guy who's trying to solo will 100% lie to get the solo.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Ok, let see the numbers: ChippeRock has 23 Solos, I have 0. That maybe shows who is the bigger liar. :)
But to tell the truth I'm always lying, and my biggest lie was this. :))
And of course after I win this game, there will be democracy in our new world, in that cases the majority wants that what I want. :)
This is just a game be not too serious, I prefer Trickstars humor.
28 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 2002: Thank you, Overlord.
02 Jul 19 UTC Good game Italy. Now that the game is over, can you please admit to Germany's dumb ass that I in fact did NOT offer you some kind of "deal"?
02 Jul 19 UTC Someone sounds salty over the fact that Even though I gave my territories away to Italy so they could solo, I still came in second place.
02 Jul 19 UTC Just accept our Overlord into your heart, man.
02 Jul 19 UTC Perhaps I'll unmute him just to see how he responds when you confirm that he just threw a game for nothing.
02 Jul 19 UTC Thank you for the game! This was my first Diplomacy here, I enjoyed and learned a lot from it, and I hope you don't feel too much upset.
I would like to appologize if I hurt anybody, I see you think I was manipulative, that should be true, I think that fits for me, this game is about that. But I tried to be fair. I tried to not stab anybody, I warned France, Spain and also Turkey before I attacked them. I only feel bad to Trickstar, but because the replacement I felt he will stab me earlier or later, if I won't do that. Maybe I was wrong, I'm sorry.
I would happier if we have an interesting game into a draw, than this end.
ChippeRock: of course you offered me something, you should reread: you offered me a fight. :)) I think Trickstar misunderstood what I wrote him, I was in fear when you joined us, and I wrote him that I'm more open to have a draw and yes that you offered me something, I didn't told anything about it, but I didn't tried to convince him to let me have solo. Maybe you wasn't enough patience to him, but that you and him should know or discuss calmly if you want.
Anyway thanks again and good luck to all of you in your next games!
02 Jul 19 UTC good game to all. we enjoyable. i got stabbed a couple times, but, hey...that's the game, right?

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Italy
kissemo (3143 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 50 D
35 supply-centers, 29 units
Germany
Survived. Bet: 0 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Turkey
ChippeRock (2564 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
9 supply-centers, 10 units
Russia
Louwilkinson (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Egypt
ejb0527 (354 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Poland
qrzy (4925 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
France
legaala (304 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Britain
Pjsticha (211 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Ukraine
TomL85 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Spain
Woogasnerk (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
LongRoll (0 D X)Germany (Spring, 2001) with 15 centres.
jigglycheese27 (95 D)Turkey (Spring, 2002) with 13 centres.
CruaaderReynauld (37 D X)Poland (Autumn, 1998) with 4 centres.
Swede03 (99 D)Egypt (Spring, 1999) with 5 centres.
dragsvart (100 D)Poland (Spring, 1997) with 5 centres.
mrog18 (0 D X)Egypt (Autumn, 2002) with 3 centres.
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