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Finished: 05 PM Mon 08 Jul 19 UTC
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Pot: 175 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic - Chaos, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Jul 19 UTC [Brest]:Difficult beginning, but we were rewarded.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Good game to everyone. You guys played excellently.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:I'd like to have a moment of silence for my ally, naples, who i may have stabbed
07 Jul 19 UTC [Kiel]:F
07 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:F
07 Jul 19 UTC [Warsaw]:impressive Froggy alliance over there! congrats for holding it through many temptations...
and the rhyming crown goes to Kiel!
07 Jul 19 UTC [Kiel]:Thank you, Thank you. :) You're too kind. Can we also appreciate that I was pushed out of my only D.C. Twice, and ended with 5 SCs? Big thanks to everyone in the normal legged frog alliance, and well done to Warsaw and Venice for a well played game.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:I am very surprised by how well the conglomerate nation worked. It seems like a bit of an unconventional build.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Warsaw]:especially considering that non of that 4 legs has reach 500 dip points... I tried to figure which one was the head of the frog (trying some plotting) but, no, only legs!
07 Jul 19 UTC [Marseilles]:I take some credit for the original cohesion of the alliance (I don't know what happened between Brest and Paris but I spent the first 2-3 years talking Paris out of stabbing Brest and then another turn talking Brest out of stabbing Paris) but once we had each earned a build it all worked quite smoothly and mutually...both of my fellow Frenchmen are clever, active, communicative players. It also helped that our enemies didn't really make a diplomatic effort to break us up. Gratitude and respect to my allies and good game to all.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:did i originally challenge... Vienna? Who was the other original rhymer
07 Jul 19 UTC [Vienna]:Me I think
07 Jul 19 UTC [Serbia]:Hey Warsaw, I see you’re a competent player so why didn’t you realize your slaps of friendship were not effective? I wasn’t fooled for a second that you were being helpful.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Vienna]:I'm not sure I understand, keep in mind I joined after a CD slightly before the rhyming started.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Vienna]:And to be honest Im not that good, I only started about a month ago.
07 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Huh, didn't know Brest wanted to stab me.

I would like to point out that while I thought it might be a good idea (mostly because I felt a smaller draw would be more appealing to others, and because I thought I might be able to get far enough ahead of Marseilles to eat him as well), I wasn't very overbearing with it I don't think. I felt like it would have been a good move, although I am glad we didn't do it because my legitimacy would have been utterly ruined, and it has been very fun to play with Brest.

I don't remember anything happening between Brest and myself... I had a bit of an issue because I saw some sub-par moves come out in the first few phases, and I got scared that we had a weak player in the alliance. Once Brest straightened out though, he made damn good moves throughout, I'm glad you talked me down Marseilles.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Brest]:At the beginning of the game I was thinking to choose just one ally between Paris and Marseille, I thought a three-way alliance was too difficult to coordinate.
Then I choose both, and I'm happy to have done this way.
I'm glad I behave myself honorably together with far more experienced players.
Thanks to all my allies, it was fun and I learnt a lot.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:I was thinking you guys could of atleast taken out Brest... But i didn't want to get attacked and not being in a draw
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:That was only possible at the start of the game. This late in, taking out any member put everyone in danger and would have hurt the very basis of the alliance.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:Yes but then there would be less people to draw with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:Also me and warsaw could of totally helped warsaw but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:*norway
08 Jul 19 UTC [Holland]:imagine being able to make it to the draw

this was made by the dead gang
08 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:6 people went into civil disorder on the first turn...
08 Jul 19 UTC [Marseilles]:For my part the last opportunity to stab and eliminate Brest was Spring 1907. It would have meant making an ally of Norway. But Norway didn't offer or suggest anything, meanwhile Brest was easy to talk to and work with.

As it was, I told my substitute that turn that I wanted to honor the alliance but he could apply his own judgement. He didn't order the stab.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Brest]:19 civil disorder in total!
08 Jul 19 UTC [Brest]:Thank you Marseilles, I'm happy I choose to trust you!
I don't think any of us could have gone this far, if we had lost time stabbing each other.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:That is also a good point, we would have had a much harder time expanding.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:We had complete naval dominance for almost the whole game. Warsaw would have made initial gains, it out guys would have had a really bloody difficult time eliminating us, I would say, that we could fall into a stalemate line. Norway wasn't much of a problem for us since we held complete naval dominance north of Iberia.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:A surprise invasion from either of you could have been devastating in the short term, but we expected attacks and were preparing accordingly since we agreed to he 6-way draw back in '05 I think? When was that?
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Yep. Autumn of 1905 was when I held the Paris-Warsaw diplomatic meeting.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Marseilles]:Paris, you became the board's mastermind by conceiving the eventual draw and orchestrating the necessary moves and eliminations. You were also the hub of our alliance because you coordinated with all of us so effectively.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Thank you, I try to make up in my tactical downfalls with scheming and masterminding.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:You were a vital component as well Marseilles, keeping me grounded. I really like overcomplicated plans, and you were great at shooting them down so that I designed reasonable plans.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Oh, shit, Marseilles, I just remembered that tight political double team in Iberia.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Warsaw]:That sounds like a fun game from the 3 legs frogs report - Just for the record, I baptized that alliance :-) I didn't do the best rhymes but got that name nicely pinned down.
I was counting sc to evaluate the chances at soloing. I could not offer anything concrete to any of the French in order to try to break their alliance. When the 3 legs became a 4 legs western coalition, it became clear I could never reach 18 and might even lose STP in the fight. My miscalculation was probably to count on my alliance with Denmark as a buffer instead of courting KIEL (and stabbing him later).
I tried to see if I could help Venice turn against Marseilles, but Venice was, ...scared maybe? - from the French alliance. So without breaking Venice/Marseilles peace, I was happy to Draw in what had been a very fun game! One of my first chaos, and the only one I ever made to the Draw.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Marseilles]:The lesson I learned from this game is that in Chaos, in the west, everybody wants to be friends with you if you have fleets. Witness Brest and Kiel.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Serbia]:Absolutely
08 Jul 19 UTC [Marseilles]:* as long as they're willing to send those fleets away from you
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Yeah, it works for the West as well because most SCs in the West are easier to take with fleets, so west always seems to end up more fragmented. From what I've seen of these games, the east always ends up being a northern power, and a southern power (sometimes one eats the other) vying for power, and the West ends up being a coalition against the two massive powers. Guess we just got lucky when we figured that out right away.
08 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:This is also the second time I am trying out the coalition strategy, where you unify an entire nation from the start and play the regular Classic meta (with some modifications based on other armies) as those three powers, and in the last time I tried, I got stabbed in my alliance, but that was after that alliance had collectively accumulated about 18 SCs, so it clearly works.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Kiel]:Have you tried that strategy in Italy?
09 Jul 19 UTC [Kiel]:Because that didn't work too well for me
09 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:Oof. As Russia actually.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:You need to get the right allies, but it is a functional strategy.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Kiel]:Yeah, and there's always some element of luck, as you could get a player who stabs whenever possible, against all logic.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:That depends on your logic. Some would say that I would have been logical for me to stab you around '06 (although it would have been a bit of a crooked stab in execution), or stab Brest in '03, or '04.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Venice]:Generally, what ive seen in Italy, and this game, once one person gets more than 1 SC the rest doesn't stand a chance
09 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:I think both Italy and Britain are like that. They are sort of walled off from the rest of the map.
09 Jul 19 UTC [Paris]:So one person has every reason to take everything.

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Venice
Rhall1952 (112 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Warsaw
0k0k0 (3815 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Kiel
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Marseilles
ibadibam (377 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Paris
Vasisubani (185 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Brest
marperra (143 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 29 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Ankara
Swede03 (99 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Belgium
PizzaTime (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Berlin
Kylo (478 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Budapest
DanTheMan10 (25 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Bulgaria
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Constantinople
Kaiser Kel (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Denmark
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Edinburgh
Theoneandonly (10992 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Greece
Werner (1722 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Holland
Flamebere (97 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Liverpool
Macchiavelli (2390 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
London
faircell21 (567 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Moscow
nguyenmt (5028 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Munich
odgit (107 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Naples
Surfman (118 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Norway
Foxcastle (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Portugal
ibuprofen (2133 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Rome
LongRoll (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Rumania
LeonWalras (409 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Serbia
Duaner02 (1367 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Sevastopol
mcbigski (4208 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Smyrna
Ferrous (198 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Spain
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
St-Petersburg
Macca573 (163 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Sweden
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Trieste
A_SIngh23 (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Tunis
Tugster (13048 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Vienna
Blesson (390 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
SmuRumS (307 D)Budapest (Spring, 1906) with 1 centres.
Riewel (210 D)Bulgaria (Autumn, 1901) with 1 centres.
BiggleBobb (50 D)London (Autumn, 1902) with 1 centres.
Rasputin the third (100 D)Portugal (Autumn, 1902) with 1 centres.
Roach411 (149 D)Vienna (Spring, 1906) with 1 centres.
Donny Dude (101 D)Constantinople (Spring, 1903) with 1 centres.
farmerman5203 (0 D X)Trieste (Autumn, 1902) with 1 centres.
helenc25 (100 D)Edinburgh (Spring, 1901) with 1 centres.
aleviavlayan (100 D)Munich (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
Trenton_Calico (0 D X)Munich (Autumn, 1901) with 1 centres.
cthedeck (100 D)Munich (Spring, 1901) with 1 centres.
beezelbop (100 D)Berlin (Spring, 1901) with 1 centres.
TheColossalSphinx (10 D X)Ankara (Spring, 1901) with 1 centres.
Koal (100 D)Moscow (Spring, 1901) with 1 centres.
Skycloud123 (100 D)Portugal (Autumn, 1902) with 2 centres.
senselessArtist (100 D)Constantinople (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
King Catullus (100 D)Trieste (Autumn, 1902) with 0 centres.
Simon3329 (100 D)Budapest (Autumn, 1906) with 1 centres.
Cvmbcm (100 D)Budapest (Autumn, 1906) with 0 centres.
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