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Finished: 06 PM Wed 24 Apr 19 UTC
Vini Vidi Vici IV
1 day /phase
Pot: 250 D - Spring, 10, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Apr 19 UTC Spring, 8: Can anybody help. I understand the concept of stabbing your ally to win the game.
I cannot get my head around stabbing your ally to let somebody else win!
19 Apr 19 UTC Spring, 8: There's an offer on the table for a three-way draw
21 Apr 19 UTC Autumn, 8: He just had to poach Cyprus, didn't he?
21 Apr 19 UTC Spring, 9: I still dont understand why I had to be eliminated to draw. Surely not for the 1 point I am worth. I deserve a survive for the fight I have put up. You need players who do not throw in the towel once they realise they cannot win. People who walk away ruin the balance for the remaining players. Those players who fight on deserve recognition.
23 Apr 19 UTC Ok, are we drawing?
23 Apr 19 UTC I was waiting for your vote, since you really were in a position to stab me.

Good game all around.
23 Apr 19 UTC Great game, all. Egypt, I would only have done that if you pursued a solo. I don‘t like that it implies distrust and an unspoken accusation. But, I have learned that it is prudent to be prepared.
23 Apr 19 UTC Good game, thnx
23 Apr 19 UTC Thanks for the reply to my comments guys.
23 Apr 19 UTC Well, really a 4-way draw in a 5 player game is kind of ridiculous, and the split we ended up with was one of the ones we actually agreed to at the start of the game. I was working with both Greece and Persia for several turns, until Persia made a big enough mistake I just had to exploit it. Even if Persia/Greece had played out differently, you still would have been on the chopping block.

That's just the Fate of Rome when Carthage and Egypt don't stab each other.
23 Apr 19 UTC Sorry Rome, but Egypt is right. It is not a comment on your play, just that we had agreed a 3-way draw - not 4.
23 Apr 19 UTC So Egypt you as saying right from the start of the game you intended to draw? Where is the skill in that . 3 onto 2 player s will always win: I say if you want to draw go to an art class and leave this game for ' Players'. I would have had fa more respect for you had you gone for the solo by eliminating Greece and failed.
23 Apr 19 UTC We didn't necessarily plan to draw, but we did plan a 3 way alliance. As I said, I also did the same with Persia, and where is he now? I got the best finish I could, and the game is called "Diplomacy", not "Failed Gloryhounds". Maybe if you'd played politics better, you'd have won.
23 Apr 19 UTC That's my point you planned to draw between 3 of you so the remaining 2 players had no chance. When Greece stabbed me it was three onto 1. So where was the skill in that. Politics doesn't come into it when you are playing somebody who is just interested in points grabbing not playing to win. Normal play is adjust loyalties to prevent one player winning maybe resulting in a stalemate.
23 Apr 19 UTC Good game everyone. I’ll put up another sequel tonight.
Egypt, your stab was well timed and totally devastating since my units were tied up.
23 Apr 19 UTC I was actually kind of proud of that. I kept my options open for quite some time before I had to commit to choosing who to stab. It could have gone either way.
23 Apr 19 UTC It's also interesting to note that Rome never even tried to talk me into stabbing Carthage. And there was at least one point where I likely would have done that.
23 Apr 19 UTC Why would I want you to stab Carthage ? I thought you were the player who would attempt to solo.
23 Apr 19 UTC I attempted to get him to stab you.
23 Apr 19 UTC But stabbing him would be the way to solo. I was close to stalemated with Greece.
23 Apr 19 UTC But I didn't want you to win.
23 Apr 19 UTC Yes, you get me to Stab Carthage, then get Greece on board, and all three cut me up, then you stab them. It's called "Diplomacy", maybe you should try playing it.
24 Apr 19 UTC The agreement to draw 3-ways wasn’t from the outset. I worked with Persia and with Rome. I would have been happy to draw 3-ways with both of you.
I also kept an eye out for my own solo opportunity, as i would expect all to do.

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Egypt
Horatius42 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 122 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Carthage
Jefe (42 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 90 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Greece
Bilbo (758 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 40 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Persia
Treebeard (72 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Rome
Nodnyl (130 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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