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Finished: 01 AM Tue 30 Apr 19 UTC
Featured real hard med
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 1500 D - Autumn, 12, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by josemurc (28513 D)
28 Apr 19 UTC nice play josemurc
I made a mistake letting you to punic sea, that was a great move, from that point on I was kind of doomed ...
well deserved win

I don't know what the others thought though, what will happen once you are done with me ...
28 Apr 19 UTC It´s very difficult get a solo in a mediterranean game.
Ready for another game boys?
28 Apr 19 UTC The most powerful Roman Legion, was the one stationed in Persia. Rome played well, but Persia played poorly, the map was screaming "Roman Solo" for many, many turns, and Persian moves and strategy, helped Rome every step of the way. I mean, forcing a Greek disband to rebuild in Damascus, seriously?
28 Apr 19 UTC Good game, all. And great job, Rome. Persia took on too much. When Persia invaded me, I threw everything back at Persia. A two-front war is tough.
28 Apr 19 UTC Nicely played Jose.

Tug - You can't really say that you played well that last year either... terrible guesses this last turn. We may have been able to hold him back longer, but oh well.
28 Apr 19 UTC at the risk of people giving me grief, I will recap things a bit.

the first three years, pretty normal, highlights were obvious moves to set up alliances between Persia and Egypt, and even alliance between Egypt and Carthage, a bit, and Rome and Greece, and bit by bit, Rome started to gradually chip away at Carthage. In the spring of 4, Rome made a superb move to Sarmatia and started supporting the Greek northern defensive front.

Then things started to go poorly, Rome was obviously winning more and more each turn, yet, Greece was locked in place, unable to change sides because every turn, Persia poured more and more and more against the Greek Phalanx, getting nothing other than forcing Greek units to stand in place and watch while Rome beat Carthage.

Each turn, I thought, more strongly than the turn before, wow, Rome is going to solo in the future, and each turn I hoped that Persia would see this and at least give me a sign of support hold my units, or back away even a little, or anything, but never did he do any of these, he just maintained heavy pressure on the Greek front forever to the end.

Egypt went in strong to finish off Carthage, which was a little risky, but okay, not much choice there really.

Finally in year 7, the Greek army moved into Sinope and the Greek navy took Egyptian Sea. This was a critical turning point as Persia made a horrible decision with his retreat.

this one turn, Persia gave the solo to Rome by retreating into Alexandria, this was a heinous mistake. Also a mistake was retaking Sinope from Greece, should have just let Greece keep it.

The moment the Persian fleet retreated into Alexandria the game was essentially over. The map was literally screaming at the top of its lungs, "ROMAN SOLO COMING" And yet Persia is constantly sniping and poaching at the back lines of both Greece and Egypt.

=> Persian units were and would be totally ineffective against Rome, Egypt and Greece needed more units, and Egypt and Greece both needed peace from Persia. Persia should have just backed away totally and given both Egypt and Greece a few SC. This would have stopped the solo. But this never happened, worse, he kept poaching and sniping from behind the lines, so Egypt and Greece never had a chance to set up any sort of defensive lines at all.

And it got worse, even in the spring of 10, with Rome on the very brink of solo, Persian is stealing SC from both Egypt and Greece, to rebuild them where? In Sidon and Damascus.

I was bewildered to wonder why Persia thought killing Greek armies and fleets on the front lines to replace them with a Persian units in Damascus and Sidon was a good idea? He did this TWICE, stole essential SC from both Greece and Egypt to rebuild Persian units ridiculously far back from the front lines.

Stopping a solo when you are the guy "behind the lines" is not easy, but as anyone who plays turkey in classic knows, if a western power is about to solo, then the Turk must BACK AWAY from Russia, Austria and Italy, and even give them a few SC, as needed, in order for Russia/Austrian/Italian units to set up the lines. If Turkey keeps sniping and poaching, well then, western solo it is. And this is exactly what happened here.

Pretty shocking to me really that a player with close to 20,000 points could not see this Roman solo coming. I was seeing it as early as year 4 or 5. Persia had like more than ten turns of warning of a Roman Solo.
28 Apr 19 UTC The last year? It was long over by then, are you kidding me?

You played poorly Persia, you and you alone, gave him the solo.

Let me me clear, Rome played very, very well, but the map was yelling "roman solo" for like 15 turns, and Persia did not do what needed to be done, sniping and poaching by Persia sealed the Roman solo, for sure.

Rome played very well, Egypt and Greece played decently well, but Persia.. omg...
28 Apr 19 UTC This time I must fully agree with Tug ...
28 Apr 19 UTC Uh oh, it's the classic Tug novel. I immediately cease and desist all debate... since there's no way I'm getting through that brick lol
28 Apr 19 UTC but its true Persia, you were "behind the lines" like turkey in classic. The only way to stop a western solo by France, England or Rome, is to BACK AWAY.... Poaching and sniping just sealed the Roman solo. It's fact.

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josemurc (28513 D)
Won. Bet: 300 D, won: 1500 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
dagabs0 (22926 D)
Survived. Bet: 300 D
12 supply-centers, 10 units
Tugster (13048 D)
Survived. Bet: 300 D
4 supply-centers, 7 units
rokakoma (19138 D)
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