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Finished: 06 PM Thu 21 Mar 19 UTC
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Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Hi, DMZ in the English Channel? I've played as both France and England and I've found if one nation moves their it just means both England and France miss out on a possible build.
04 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1901: I demand that if there is a DMZ in the Channel that there also be in in Galacia
04 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Oops, it's late!
09 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1903: What chaos!
09 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1903: He’s probably looking pretty or leave from the French and German perspective
16 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Hello guys
16 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Guess I am Italy then
16 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Good choice to join
16 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: lol welcome aboard
17 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Thanks!
17 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Congratz on the win Germany. You guys gave him too much rope last year
17 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Turkey takes Serbia, I take Trieste, and Germany takes Budapest and London, and then we call it a draw?
17 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Obviously that’s fine with me I think we’re dependent on the relationship between you and Germany.
17 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1906: I’ve been a good ally all along the way and you two have been cooperating
17 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Its like France does not understand the game we are playing.
17 Mar 19 UTC Spring, 1906: For my part, I am not opposing him until folks get a clue
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Wow. Did Germany just throw away the win?
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: We will wait to see but it is not unusual in my experience for people to cooperate throughout the game and even though a single player could fight for solo they honor their alliances. I rarely depend on people's goodwill but ensure this end happens through mutual garrisons, good communication and balanced growth.

It makes sense this would surprise you because you don't cooperate with anyone ever. But my experience is that the ability to cooperate is the winning strategy in this game.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: A Draw is not the same as winning. It is simply not losing.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I grew to 17 centers in 6 years for a couple of reasons. France trusted a crazy plan of mine in 1902, Italy was functionally inactive for several years (which means France never had to turn towards me), and Turkey let me walk into their centers on the condition that Austria be eliminated first before I made plays for a win. There's no pride to be had in striking for the solo victory in a game where the path to 18 was cleared for me from 1903 onward as a result of game conditions that I had little influence in creating.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: If thats the case, we should just draw now :)
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Take the win for Diplomacy's sake. A game about winning at all costs. I am happy to lose to Germany. I am disgusted to be eliminated in a game which ends in a charity draw.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: There's a reason the draw is a potential outcome, and it's not only because of potential stalemates. To be honest, I haven't played enough Diplomacy to fully understand the ethics of the honorable draw. It's clear there's no clear cut answer to the question of when to draw with allies versus when to play until someone reaches 18. But if there is any game where a draw makes sense, this seems to be one, for all the reasons I laid out in my last message
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think Germany is half right, they made a lot of good decisions too and was a good ally. If Austria had been in your position I don't think they'd have gotten near as far. So yeah you had some luck but you took advantage of it.

If Austria had been useful or if I had worked with Russia our side of the board might have been just as strong.

And Austria talks a big talk, I wonder how many solo's they have.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: 8% solo win rate
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Solo is a very very hard thing to accomplish which is why watching someone throw one away feels so wrong.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: 42% draw rate. Assuming everyone plays well, all games should end in draw, where noone has a realistic path to victory.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Solo is especially difficult to manage when you're a useless ally. I have a 7% solo rate when I explicitly avoid solos and only do it when my allies force me to play to the bitter end.

It's funny you would say a draw is inevitable when everyone plays well considering how bad you are. You didn't bounce Gal, defend Tri and then didn't cooperate with anyone after that. The only reason you survived this long is because Italy stopped playing. I grant that Austria is a hard country to play and I don't know how your diplomacy when with other players. I didn't see you make a single good decision all game, even when you grabbed SCs you did it in a way that unnecessarily alienated neighbors.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Someone is awful bitter.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I am just advocating for the guy to take his win. I am not saying I should have won.
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I’m bitter for sure. But you were a particularly useless neighbor. If you were just an enemy that would have been fine. But you never once did anything cooperative I could see. I’m okay with treachery (I’m treacherous myself as Russia saw) but you play this like 7 player checkers
18 Mar 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: And bitterness is something you ought to factor in when being a bad neighbor.
20 Mar 19 UTC You know, I’ve really started to hate that Austria, just not very pleasant
20 Mar 19 UTC Good game
20 Mar 19 UTC They certainly pissed me off. Appreciate being in the end game. Good sportsmanship

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Germany
dmittlem (689 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
17 supply-centers, 16 units
France
Comrade077 (24 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Turkey
ezk3626 (245 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
England
Nurelya (227 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Italy
SadFarm1 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Austria
dyager_nh (644 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
ShockTaco (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
davs1234 (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 1904) with 1 centres.
Aidan C (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1905) with 1 centres.
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