Finished: 09 PM Sat 02 Mar 19 UTC
Live Gunboat Friday
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by et (763 D)
02 Mar 19 UTC Well played.
02 Mar 19 UTC Some things never change
02 Mar 19 UTC Before everyone blames Turkey, realize that he probably just doesn't know how to play. If he knew Russia was going to solo, I doubt he would have continued pointlessly attacking Italy out of spite.
02 Mar 19 UTC It’s Austria’s fault ... needlessly attack Italy the quit ... its always the same
02 Mar 19 UTC Congratulations Russia. Although we could have easily stalemated you if we had the ability to communicate, you took advantage of the format nicely, and you early plays in Germany and Austria were top class.
02 Mar 19 UTC I’ve not played in here for a long time because the games often suck for this exact reason
02 Mar 19 UTC I think I needed to take a center from England so he could disband the useless army and I could get another fleet. Tough to do that without looking pro-Russia with no communication. Not sure it would have been enough, anyway.
02 Mar 19 UTC I think I needed to take a center from England so he could disband the useless army and I could get another fleet. Tough to do that without looking pro-Russia with no communication. Not sure it would have been enough, anyway.
02 Mar 19 UTC I expected you to take Liverpool or London, and I would have continued fighting Russia. But I don't blame you for assuming I would retaliate out of spite. Many players would. My answer was convoying the army to Picardy, but we didn't have enough time unfortunately. If Trieste had held, or if I had taken Denmark, that Picardy army could have been critical.
02 Mar 19 UTC Congratulations, et, well played and despite the NMRs you deserve the win. On the game overall, there was much more at stake than me "pointlessly attacking Italy". I had to defend against a Lepanto, which Italy decided to deploy despite having no signal that he was going to get Austria's help, without help of an Austrian fleet in Greece that is very difficult for Italy to pull off on his own. After successfully defending against that, and as a result having to leave my north exposed to Russia, I went after Greece. My bad year was 1904 where I indeed should have stopped going beyond the Ionian. I also note that France was still trying to invade England that year, despite the presence of a Russian fleet in the North Sea. Russia then perfectly timed and executed the stab, which I obviously saw coming but, like I said, I had played myself out of position by then. I attacked Italy for the entirety of *one* year before turning my attention to the Austrian fleet in Venice. I realized I was completely outnumbered in Turkey and Gre/Bul, so there was no point in defending against that. I was hoping to (1) remain in any unlikely draw, (2) help defend a stalemate around Tyr/Tri, or at least allow France to do so and perhaps choose to eliminate me in the process. I disbanded my units around Italy to allow him to deploy his fleets to the Ionian, which he did. At that time, France could, and perhaps should, have supported me into Trieste, and he could have taken Venice himself or supported Italy in, instead of needlessly supporting him into Boh, after which he had to redo everything to retake Munich.
02 Mar 19 UTC So my play was far from perfect, but I don't appreciate a sweeping statement as to "Turkey probably doesn't know how to play". I noted, FiftyFifty, that you recently joined the site and you've made pretty broad statements in other games I played. You are clearly a good and accomplished player and I think you will rise to the top soon, but I recommend a little more self reflection before you make these, frankly hurtful, remarks. As to your own play, I suggest you take a look at 1902, where you needlessly supported Germany into Belgium instead of supporting hold in Norway, after a northern Russian fleet build. You also disbanded Ska after that, instead of your army in Wales, which didn't do anything for the rest of the game. Otherwise, you could have defended Norwegian and North Sea against the three Russian fleets.

I only pointed out a few examples to show that no one is perfect and makes mistakes, that's all in the game, not to point fingers or blame. I try to learn from every game and not assume that I'm perfect and it's Turkey's (or whoever's fault), some deeper analysis is worthwhile I think. I clearly made mistakes, the NMRs were not helpful, so it wasn't a perfect game, and I clearly, glaringly and obviously saw the Russian solo coming.

Congratulations again, et, even though I was at the receiving end, it's been a while since I saw such a perfectly executed attack. I thought your convoy to Ank was great, which was the nail in my coffin.

Good game everyone, and thanks for playing.
02 Mar 19 UTC Thanks.
How are you going to defend Tri?
I was able to attack Tri by 4 units.
-French army at Tyr
-Turkish army at Tri
-Turkish fleet at Adr
Just 3
Who can go into Ven?
If France had taken Ven, you lost army or fleet.
02 Mar 19 UTC You’re absolutely right, et, that Tri was not defensible in the end, as others also pointed out. I agree completely, and I haven’t gone deeply enough to see whether that would have mattered in the end, most likely not. It would have delayed you and with armies in Apu, Tyr and Pie, there might have been enough time to grab Kiel from you.
02 Mar 19 UTC But I accept that my analysis isn’t complete, and probably flawed, you also would have had sufficient fleet power to take Ion and beyond.
02 Mar 19 UTC That's make sense. If you had taken
one more SC from Italy, Italy would disband useless army and France were could take Ven for supporting Tri.
Is that your plan?
02 Mar 19 UTC France were could→France could
02 Mar 19 UTC Indeed, that was a good option, or take Tri and hope neither Italy nor France takes Ven so I could keep two units, F Adr is an awesome defense, or disband A Tri and hope that whoever was in Ven understands that I’d support them into Tri. All of that is virtually impossible to pull off in gunboat though...
02 Mar 19 UTC That's nice plan but difficult to understand in this short time without messaging.
02 Mar 19 UTC Absolutely, and even with press it requires a leap of faith. Especially after my poor play in 1904 I’m sure trust wouldn’t have been high :)
02 Mar 19 UTC I remember hoping for the best but not expecting that you would not stab me, which would have allowed me to build a unit and bring F Aeg back home. But you clearly saw that already in Spring.
02 Mar 19 UTC Lol. Thank you to tell me your plan.
02 Mar 19 UTC Show me on the doll where my comments hurt you Turkey. You talk a big game, but no one cares that I'm new to this website, or how I talk. We all saw what happened in his game.

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Russia
et (763 D)
Won. Bet: 15 D, won: 105 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
France
90kicvesb (3676 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
England
FiftyFifty (107 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
MichiganMan (5171 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Turkey
dipperjay (2070 D (G))
Survived. Bet: 15 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
vartangb (10 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
letizia123 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
vartangb (10 D X)Germany (Autumn, 1907) with 0 centres.
letizia123 (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1904) with 2 centres.
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