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Finished: 06 AM Wed 27 Mar 19 UTC
Private The G-Candles Who Loved Me
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
25 Mar 19 UTC Well played folks! The stalemate line was set and I wouldn’t be able to pick up any further SCs after PAR.
25 Mar 19 UTC I felt like turkey deserved a piece of the Draw being I’m such a nice guy!
26 Mar 19 UTC Thank you Sam! I wasn't sure I'd make it in.
26 Mar 19 UTC Good game, classic central triple (once again). I think this league finally stabilized on a Metagame that isn’t so favorable to France

Sam (Austria), we could have had a 3-way draw if you hadn’t attacked me at Venice. I don’t know why you thought it was smarter to attack me before finishing off turkey or before consolidating vs Germany. Once you attacked me I was going to throw the game to Germany if you didn’t let up
26 Mar 19 UTC My fault for making everyone nervous there. Blake I didn’t intend on attacking you but in autumn of 1906 you forced my unit into trie not allowing me to build the ship i wanted to use for Turkey, you then moved to ion sea and I saw that as a move to let turkey out on me. That along with you about to get 2 builds that round could have led to a solo attempt or at least made you very strong. So I limited your strength
26 Mar 19 UTC The army in tyro was originally move there to block Germany from attempting to attack you from the back side of the neutral country.
26 Mar 19 UTC But if I built a boat in 1901 instead of a tank none of this might have mattered.
26 Mar 19 UTC Hm, I think you and I read the situation very differently. I understood you as moving your army to Tyrolia so that you could set up a solo win attempt by attacking me, and I expected you to build an army or fleet in Trieste in order to attack me. I *correctly* guessed that you were going to bounce yourself in Trieste because I sensed that you wanted to build another unit so that you could betray me with an ally out attack. My understanding was that by preventing you from building in Trieste, I delayed your planned attack against me for 1 year.

Look at the map in Autumn 1906. I had no way to defend Venice against any attack from you, so no matter what unit you built in Trieste in the Autumn, you were going to be able to attack me with it and I wouldn't be able to stop you.

What I was trying to communicate to you was "back the @$#% off of me" -- moving into Tyrolia was not at all something I interpreted as beneficial to me. Germany was never going to be able to successfully attack me at Venice, but YOU would be. So long as your army was in Tyrolia, I feared that you were going to attack me. I interpreted your move to Tyrolia as quite hostile. I wanted that army OUT.

To be honest it's hard for me to believe you that you attacked Venice in Autumn 1907 in response to my ability to capture french centers and move to Ionian Sea, because you IMMEDIATELY made a supported attack into Tyrolia using Trieste, which is the set up for the exact attack I kept thinking you wanted to make -- and you moved back into Tyrolia BEFORE seeing whether I would move to Ioian Sea or capture French centers. I moved Tyrrhenian Sea to Ionian Sea to stop you from being able to attack Venice AND get into Ionian Sea, because I fully expected you (which was the correct belief) to attack me the next turn. I was hoping to capture French centers so that I would be able to build another army despite also losing Venice.

So think about this Sam: how come when you move your army to Tyrolia, that was to help defend me from Germany, but when I moved my fleet to Ionian Sea, in your mind that was to help TURKEY against you? Why wasn't my fleet move into Ionian Sea going there to help you finish off Turkey?

If you had not attacked me at Venice, I was going to move Ionian Sea to EMS to help you finish off Turkey. Now, I didn't move to ION sea to help you vs. Turkey -- I moved there because I thought you were going to attack with Aegean and I needed to block you -- but I had in mind to help you finish off Turkey if you maintained our alliance.

What I want you to understand is that there are multiple interpretations of a move, and other players do not necessarily understand your intentions to be a good one when you encroach on them. You were worried that my fleet being in ION was somehow hostile to you, but most players understand that Italy can guard Ionian Sea and that it's never hostile to do that -- Ionian Sea is Italy's key defense point from the east, and Italy usually loses the match if any foreign power ever gets into Ionian Sea.

The same cannot be said of Tyrolia. Tyrolia is usually considered a very aggressive position for any power (Germany, Austria, Italy) to enter because it sets up for attacks on home centers.

So most Italian players would interpret an Austrian army in Tyrolia as hostile, and most Austria players would NOT interpret a fleet in Ionian as a part of a plan to attack Austria together with Turkey. But in any event, it's inconsistent for you to expect your encroachments to be understood as beneficial and to interpret others' encroachments as hostile.

In order for me to move out west instead of against you, I had to leave my home centers unguarded, and you rewarded me poorly for trusting you because, in my view, you attacked my home centers almost as soon as it was viable to do so. You betrayed me before finishing off even a single target (you did not have the Turkish or the Russian home centers). The way I looked at the map, you were trying to betray your only ally as soon as you possibly could

The danger that Italy is always in when allied to Austria is that in order to actually attack Turkey or France, Italy has to send units away and leave the home centers undefended. Austria is in the same danger.

So as soon as you started attacking me, I felt I had no choice but to eventually start giving away centers to Germany and do back up as many units as I could justify to stop you from trying to finish me off. There was no way in the world I would let you take any more of my centers without first suiciding the entire match to Germany.

My interpretation was that you were trying to solo win, and that I need to play a careful balancing act of powering up Germany, but not too quickly that Germany would actually *win*.

Look at the map in spring 1908. That's the map of an Austrian player attempting a solo win. You're attacking in every single direction. I started help Turkey in 1908 just to retaliate against your units almost half your forces to attack me.




That said, if you hadn't take Venice, I probably would have betrayed you and attempted a solo win because I would have gotten 2 builds.
26 Mar 19 UTC good game all
26 Mar 19 UTC This will mark the first time since February 2017 that there is not a pending game in this G-Candles league. It's been QUITE a long run of games (53 games total). Two years without a

Thanks for everyone who participated so far, especially Kaley and Kevin, who played in almost all of these games without getting any solo wins (yet!!!)

After two years, I have to take a break. I am in the online championship and I want to concentrate on that, and then after that maybe even a REAL diplomacy break so I can focus on my blog

I'll be sure to hit everyone up as soon as I'm ready to play another gunboat
26 Mar 19 UTC Thanks for allowing me to participate my friend!
27 Mar 19 UTC Thank you for inviting me in too, and all of the lessons along the way. Good luck in the online championship!
28 Mar 19 UTC Many thanks from the league's basement dweller!

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