Finished: 02 PM Fri 01 Feb 19 UTC
Playdip playtrip
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Senlac (138 D)
18 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I tell you, malicious rumours become common currency years before truth is acknowledged! For some obscure reason of fate I pretty much NEVER get Russia.
Once a year at most! Senlac & Tsars just doesn’t happen...

Then I get accused of liking Juggs when playing as Russia. Liars & rogues, that’s what we have to deal with in Diplomacy. I can’t remember the last time I agreed to an alliance with Turkey, but I’m enjoying this occasion, even if he started the rumour.
He’s excused this time...
18 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: It’s Italy’s duty to investigate & understand the foreign draw system we have here. Teach us all & then have a trial run at that 2-way she proposes. This is only a practise game ahead of ODC after all & not an unjust result in the opinion of Muscovites:-)
19 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Wait on the flood of interested responses.

Yawn.
19 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Aha it is DIAS, excellent. I don’t like the other way much & open ballot. I knew there were reasons I liked webDip.
Now all we need to understand is the terminology. Pootle has voted both Draw & Cancel meaning? No? Can we have an interpreter?
I doubt we’ll get any serious voting, but it would be nice to know if cancel meant “I’ve changed my mind”. There’s a few on PlayDip might use that option quite often...
19 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I messaged Durga who volunteered earlier to help with webDip questions. Hopefully a lesson on webDip draws will be forthcoming (for use in 1910 onwards of course, not this 1904 nonsense:-)
19 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Durga): Hello all I'm going to answer some questions
19 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Durga): Firstly, All draws are DIAS. You cannot select who is in the draw.

Are all draws open ballot so you can see who votes what?
In this game, your draws are open ballot. When selecting game settings, there was an option to make the draw votes hidden.

What does cancel mean? No? Or do you just abstain to reject a draw proposal?
If everyone votes cancel, this game will cease existing. That's all it means. An individual cancel vote does nothing.
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Seen enough here... game doesn’t have much of a dynamic left. Happy to end if everyone else is.
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Seconded. I've learned enough of how this works.
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: I’m in frequent communications with 3 others & still learning.
For instance, Austria now has a message on the game page, “Missed the last phase”.
What is the significance? Two strikes & you’re out?
Italy ignores the Tsar, must have pissed her off somehow. Doesn’t like RT’s?
(gotta remember that:-)
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Everyone hates RTs... so boring :(
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Oh well, RT will just have to continue until they constitute the majority & then like in all good democracies, dissident views get ignored:-)
(unless that is they qualify for “minority rights” & then they take priority:-)
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Haha.
But the way this site works - you gain based on size at draw end.
We all accept that the juggernaught wins the game. So why not just end it here?
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ah you see, still lots to learn!

I saw there are two scoring methods to choose from on webDip, “draw size scoring” & “sum of squares”. I remember (although I’ve tried my best to forget!) endless forum debates on PlayDip & PDL about “alternative” scoring systems. I happen to like the PlayDip approach & think Super_Dipsy et al have done a great job.

This game is DSS. Can you say what the score is for a 7-way (currently)? 35/7 = 5 each? If so, what would SOS have resulted in?
Do bear in mind I left school with a grade E pass at A level Mathematics (the lowest possible before the dreaded, “fail”) so nothing too complicated please.

Don’t you love that “fail” is now referred to as “deferred success”, so cute:-)
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Can we just end it.

I've learned what I need to. Which was the point of this game.

And the patronising just gets on my chest. :^P

Are we proving points or something?

Yours

Ana Freud
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Would Miss Freud please identify any “patronising”. I don’t do patronising.
Many sins I have performed, cynicism, sarcasm, even political incorrectness possibly.
But I ain’t patronising no one. If you feel patronised, that’s your problem.
20 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Of course not. You are a far superior tactician.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Maybe when I grow up I'll be just as good.

Anyway. G'night folks.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: And where in the above text that “got on your chest” did I patronise you regarding tactics.
I do remember disagreeing with you over appropriate tactics for Russia in this contest, but that’s Diplomacy. Agreement on tactics & strategy are not mandatory & at no time did I comment on yours, so again on the crime of “patronising”, I am demonstrably innocent.
Using sarcasm to implicate my guilt ain’t gonna work either.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Senlac, I've seen you argue with other people on PP, on our other site. I'm not interested in arguing with you. I've learned what I needed to about the interface.

What WarSmith and I have asked is if we can just call the draw (which would need to include all survivors), so we can all go into the tournament on starting points.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Mainly because we are bored shitless.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: PootleFlump. I’m glad for your disinterest in lively debate.

It’s good Diplomacy game terminations aren’t entirely dependent on your level of engagement in any given contest. Priority would suddenly become stopping you getting unnecessarily bored.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Shhhh..... shhh..... shh.... sh...

Last word, lol.

The big bowl of porridge is yours.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moderator: (Durga): What is the significance? Two strikes & you’re out?

Two strikes and you're out! But in my tournament you won't be allowed to nmr, we will have wait for orders on

On scoring -> this is DSS which means that everyone in the draw will get an equal amount of points. My tournament will use sum of squares, which is explained in the tournament document.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Thanks for explaining Durga.
Truth is that ‘back home’ we’d all just say well done to the Juggernaught and vote them a two-way... now we have to wait it out while they handhold for the next ten years or so ;)
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Thanks Durga as always for the information ahead of when it will be needed.

How long will you wait for orders to be input, before assuming they’ve just gone & quit?

I was recently playing in a PlayDip league that required participants to agree they would not quit, before signing up to participate. Over 3 rounds of games a 30% surrender rate was experienced! Unbelievable I know & I sure hope ODC achieves better, but there will be quitters.

I’ll go read Sum of squares...
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: The squaw on the hippopotomus hide is equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides...
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Look who it is. Self confessed Carebear and Kitten Hater. So much so he quit a game.

Being... well..... Being a Carebear Kitten.

Welcome to the light side Turkey.
21 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: A Kitten who is 5 centres behind his master too.
22 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Chuckle
23 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Moderator: (Durga): Not sure senlac, if I can't contact them within a reasonable time I'll find a replacement.
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Dog pants.
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I hope I get to see some of these one liners in ODC. I invariably “chuckle”.
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: It won't be this easy on the compo.
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: *in the compo
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Anyone up for "Russia vs The Rest Of The World"?
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Er...Europe...
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think we should start with a quite severe poster campaign...
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: "Russians go home"
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Victimisation, that’s what I say, victimisation it is...
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: There is no one more deserving of the privilege
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Bit late now G!
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Troo
24 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I know where that “Russians go home” idea came from. It’s the “Turks go home” posters currently sprouting up around southern & eastern Italy:-)
25 Jan 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Welcome New France!
29 Jan 19 UTC Well done Russia

Turkey.... big twat.
30 Jan 19 UTC No need for that. Sore loser.
31 Jan 19 UTC Thanks everyone. It’s certainly interesting playing on this different user interface & I’m glad to have done it ahead of ODC. Many thanks for joining & making it possible.
I hope I haven’t used up all my good fortune ahead of the tournament:-)
31 Jan 19 UTC Hope we have.
31 Jan 19 UTC Moderator: (Durga): Congrats!

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Russia
Senlac (138 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
19 supply-centers, 17 units
Turkey
Scarabus (2377 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 9 units
England
WarM (452 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
Pootleflump (106 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
France
Survived. Bet: 0 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Austria
chlue (117 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
sTheus (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
chlue (117 D)Austria (Autumn, 1905) with 0 centres.
bncsoccer (100 D)France (Autumn, 1906) with 3 centres.
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