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Finished: 04 PM Mon 25 Feb 19 UTC
sine theta / 2 = plus-minus the square root of 1 -
1 day /phase
Pot: 100 D - Autumn, 2007, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Essence33 (100 D)
12 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2004: What about the Western Sahara?
12 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2004: I forgot about that
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: Who here is ok with Ukraine soloing as long as they get the "survive"? Well, besides England and Italy. That's the only way I can explain their behavior. Germany gets it. Sad, but I had to finally cut England off. He simply does not get it.
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: To make it clear: yes, there is a benefit from surviving when the game has ended, but the more people are eliminated, the better (the more points for you). This means we have to form a stalemate with Ukraine. After that, we can eliminate the remains of both England and Turkey.
Since it seems that Italy only wants to survive, and I see no other reason than those juicy Diplopoints, I hope that Italy hears our prayers and acknowledge our logic
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: I got confused by the term Draw-size scoring. Let me make it clear: there is NO benefit of surviving when Ukraine reaches 33 centers. Anyone other than Ukraine receives nil points. Therefore we need to create a stalemate against him. After we reached the stalemate, we can finish of the possible remains of England and Turkey. I decided to place this in global, so Ukraine hopefully knows that their ally is being dumb and deserves nothing more than a good ol' stab or the other side of the war
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: I fail to see how I’m being dumb. I have two countries attacking me, I did have three before Turkey fell, why would I risk alienating my only ally, even if they have obvious motive to stab me. It would only hasten my demise. I’m more than willing to force a stalemate but as I said before I can’t do that with you two attacking me
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: I’m sorry, but how do I “not get it?” I’ve been trying to establish a foothold in the north the entire game and all Spain has done is steal two of my starting SCs and then constantly park fleets off my coast. Not only that, but when I have tried to move north, you broke the one part of our deal that I couldn’t let go, STAY OUT OF THE CHANNEL. And now, because I’m sick and tired of you sitting here trying to play for me, you’ve decided I “don’t get it” and are just going to wipe me out? So I’m sorry, but how the hell do i “not get it?” The only threat I’ve seen this whole game is you, Spain, and I’m frankly inclined to help Ukraine win out of spite and so I can get this stupid game over with and not have to listen to your condisention every time I long into this app and try and play a fun game.
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: You spelled condescension incorrectly.
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: Ha!
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: *laughs from the grave*
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: But seriously, everyone should band together and stop Ukraine from soloing.
14 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: Ironically, everyone who is still alive was once part of the alliance to stop Russia, Egypt and France
15 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2004: If I am being honest though I do slightly agree with Britain here. Spain you haven't exactly given them a good reason to work against me when you are the one currently attacking him.
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: Either I dont get your statement about the alliance against Russia, or you have mistaken my kindness in the early game. I have always been on the side of Russia after the elimination of Poland. And I will still fight for their wish! (Although it doesnt seem like that it is going to happen with just one besides me)
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: I am also confused by Ukraine’s statement about an alliance to stop Russia, Egypt and France. At what point were Russia, Egypt and France allied? Why did our three nations pose such a threat that the remaining nations allied against us specifically?
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: Germany I suppose I thought you weren't lying when you said you were willing to work with me against Russia.

Russia you and Egypt were working together. I brought Italy in and you took over Norway. So now Britain, Italy, Turkey and I ended up working together against you two. Since Britain was fighting France as well, we decided to attack France together with Spain.

It wasn't that we saw you three as threatening, it was your planned attack on Turkey that caused me to attack you and set everything off.
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: I wasn't working with Russia.
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: I attacked Turkey though.
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: Yeah, I wasn’t working with Egypt. And I didn’t plan on attacking Turkey. Not sure what you’re talking about.

I wanted to take Scandinavia and help you take out Poland.
16 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: Yeah, I wasn’t working with Egypt. And I didn’t plan on attacking Turkey. Not sure what you’re talking about.

I wanted to take Scandinavia and help you take out Poland.
17 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: (Message from Egypt)

Autumn, 1995: Russia is going for Turkey with me, you should join us. Hit Bulgaria and we can split her.
17 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2005: Don't say you weren't working together or didn't plan on attacking Turkey, because you not only said you were, but you asked me to join you
17 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2005: Interesting move of events in Eastern Europe
17 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2005: Suppose that wasnt intentional?
17 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2005: Fair enough, but that wasn't true. Russia didn't confirm her move on Turkey, she said that she MIGHT help, and I figured you would be compelled to work in a three rather than a two.
17 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2005: Germany yeah, I started entering my orders and forgot to finish I guess
17 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2005: When you get to this many units, entering orders becomes quite tedious
19 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2006: Lol, the real challenge is being able to move your nonexistent single fleet unit.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: Pull down your draw vote italy. You obviously wanted the ukraine solo. At least england, has the integrity not to have a draw vote right now.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: Mate, I have repeatedly told you I am on your side but your constant attacks prevented me from forcing a stalemate with Ukraine. You refused to allow a truce so I was forced to decide whether I would rather be invaded by you or Ukraine, and you were the one ignoring my attempts to cooperate so I chose Ukraine
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: And I hate to disappoint you Spain, but I am putting in a draw vote.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: Mostly just to piss you off.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: does anybody care to stop Ukraine or do you still not trust me? Playing for the giggles over screwing me is not really what the game is supposed to be about. Whatevs, there will be other games. Germany is the only one that gets it. I tried to go around England but couldn't, so I had to kill him. I tried to go around Italy but instead of killing him, I tried restraint by not taking any centers (after Switz)...but to no avail there either.

Losers say, "I lost, but at least I pissed off somebody else".
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: Well I’ve got some news for you, you’re not going to win either. Get it though your obviously thick skull that you singlehandedly mannaged to ruin this game by being a boorish nightmare to play with. Both Italy and I tried to work with you against Ukraine, but you have shown again and again that you are not capable of understanding teamwork, or respecting allies boarders. So while I may loose this game, I am winning because I no longer have to listen to you whine about us not rolling over and letting you play for us. If you would rather play every country, maybe find another server.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: The only country that tried to work with me against Ukraine was Germany. You conveniently ignore that successful relationship and how I never told him how to play his units.
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: I also do not see any actions regarding England against Ukraine, besides the attack on Sweden, which was not his initiative. And even that action was followed up by straight up bad moves in the year after, suggesting trust in Ukraine. Regarding Italy, I get his point, even though it sounds a little dumb in my opinion, accepting the sure death instead of the (more exicting I think) cooperative pact with the less sure defeat
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: At least Italy isnt helping Ukraine win on purpose
21 Feb 19 UTC Autumn, 2006: I am one SC away from winning. I made sure Italy and Britain would survive, as they helped me and stayed loyal. (for the most part).

I am slightly surprised you two didn't switch sides, but I have a lot of respect to you guys for not doing so. So thank you Italy and Britain. Really. I'm super sorry for stabbing you here at the end Italy.
21 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2007: If I do win, thanks to all of you besides Spain for being a great player and fun to work with.
21 Feb 19 UTC Spring, 2007: I don’t mind that you stabbed me Ukraine, tbh I thought you would do it sooner, I understand why. I just wish I hadnt been forced to roll over and let you
23 Feb 19 UTC Why do you say Spain is not a great player? He has been the one with some resistance (if it were not for Italy I wouldve put up some resistance as well, but Italy chose Italy's choice and he did a good job on their choice)
23 Feb 19 UTC On the off chance that Italy wants to avert solo, Milan should support Austria hold (and Venice could tap Croatia if he's not too scared that I'm making a play for Milan)
23 Feb 19 UTC It could be that Ukraine gains Aswan, Greece, Berlin but loses Austria and Alex for a gain of only 1. (I think you need 34)
23 Feb 19 UTC It’s 33 for victory.
23 Feb 19 UTC Yeah. You guys need to make sure I don't gain a single SC
23 Feb 19 UTC any chance for an NMR, Ukraine?
23 Feb 19 UTC orders have already been entered
23 Feb 19 UTC Pffft. Fat chance Ukraine won't get another SC lol.
24 Feb 19 UTC Good game to all!
24 Feb 19 UTC lesson learned. if you don't stroke BlackKnight13's ego, be prepared for him to throw the game.

As for RavenEyed, your lesson should be that Ukraine was going to eat you anyway. Instead of waiting for him to surround you, you need to fight. Either way you probably lose but if you fight early, you have a better chance of survival.

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Ukraine
Essence33 (100 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 100 D
33 supply-centers, 30 units
Spain
Hauta (1618 D (S))
Survived. Bet: 10 D
21 supply-centers, 20 units
Italy
RavenEyed (151 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
Brøccøli (133 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Britain
BlackKnight13 (180 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Egypt
Vasisubani (185 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
France
jcu1717 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Poland
gakonga (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Russia
sideroxylon1 (833 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Turkey
Maastoren (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
The Gandy Man (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 2002) with 8 centres.
KarcsayFerenc (100 D)Poland (Spring, 1996) with 2 centres.
Cms1124 (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 2005) with 0 centres.
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