Finished: 03 AM Fri 23 Nov 18 UTC
Featured Highlevel Gunboat
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 1050 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by josemurc (27151 D)
20 Nov 18 UTC gg
20 Nov 18 UTC well won France
20 Nov 18 UTC Interesting to see people would allow France to own Italy like that, and even work together with them. What are the odds they can turn that into a solo.
20 Nov 18 UTC It was certainly well played though. I saw the attack on Venice coming (though only after the build phase), but Austria bounced me out of Venice :-(
20 Nov 18 UTC Italy, you did kind of attack me a lot :p didn't make me feel like you were trying to be an ally!
21 Nov 18 UTC No, it's called a Key Lepanto ;-) I was trying to work together with you. If you've never heard of it, it's hard to recognise.
21 Nov 18 UTC Damn I was emotionally crushed that nobody would attack France, I knew he was going to solo years and years ago and wanted to back up Germany and form a line, etc etc but I got attacked instead...what gives man I thought this was a high level game
21 Nov 18 UTC I tried, England decided to suicide into me
21 Nov 18 UTC Austria sucked, such horrible play, unbelievably bad. Handed France the solo.
21 Nov 18 UTC absolutely NOT a high level game, I was making moves as far back as 1907 to try to get Austria to attack France, and Austria actually helped France!
21 Nov 18 UTC Italy, you cannot do openings like Key Lepanto, in gunboat, stuff like that never works in gunboat.
21 Nov 18 UTC I've done it successfully before, but I'll admit it's dubious.
21 Nov 18 UTC Russia, my attack on you in 1908 was designed to weaken you in the hopes that would strengthen England to fight France better. didn't work out that way as England , like Austria, refused to recognize the french threat.
21 Nov 18 UTC Well, nice try Tugster. That makes sense. Not too many options as turkey anyways
21 Nov 18 UTC It has been a good and strange game, getting into italy from north...another one? :)
21 Nov 18 UTC meh, its a gunboat, hard to trust people too much! I'll admit I left it too late, but survival is better than being knocked out by a Turkish steamroller in the back
21 Nov 18 UTC no, of course it's not it's zero points
21 Nov 18 UTC It’s not. Tugster is right. First of all, Turkey would not have attacked you at the cost of losing the game. You could not have been eliminated faster than France would solo win. Secondly, You’re rating a 100% chance of loss (but survival) as better than a chance at a draw (at the trivial risk of elimination). That doesn’t make sense in a winner take all game. It’s why PPSC was deleted off the site years ago.

That’s not what I expect from a “high level” gunboat. That’s what I expect from new players who don’t understand the betting and ranking systems used on this site.
21 Nov 18 UTC That’s such a grievous misunderstanding of the strategy of the game and the expectations of your follow players that I would not agree to play ether game win you sirKristof unless you corrected your misunderstanding.
21 Nov 18 UTC Another game with you ***
21 Nov 18 UTC jeez whinge much! :p I usually play this on my phone on the train, not something I'll be losing sleep or crying over. Maybe set a password? Or code some bots to play against if you have such strong expectations about what everyone should do
21 Nov 18 UTC That's why you're points are so bad, play in low point games then.
22 Nov 18 UTC You’re misunderstanding why I’m talking to you. I’m trying to convey that your explanation for your poor play is insensible and inappropriate for a “high level” game in the strongest language I can muster.

You do care, and any additional written denials of caring about my opinion only further proves that you do care what I think. If you really didn’t care about this game or my opinion of your play, you would not read my critique or respond to it.

You took the time to play this particular match for many weeks. If you didn’t care, you could have quit the match and been replaced. But you fought for a survive. What I’m telling you is that your stated strategy of playing for a survive when a draw is possible constitutes poor Diplomacy play. There’s nothing you can say to escape this truth. You can learn to be better or choose continue playing poorly, but claming you don’t understand or dont care doesn’t prove you played well.

I don’t want to play with bots, I don’t lose sleep, and I don’t cry. I want to elevate the level of skill of my fellow players, from this match, this site, and the world over. I put a great deal of efffort into teaching others, write articles, and mentor new players. I do this not because losing makes me sad, but because pushing someone to new levels of ability brings me joy. This task often involves challenging what other players think they know, because improvement at this game, like anything, usually means unlearning bad ideas.

You can’t fool me. You care enough about what others think of you that you’re troubling yourself to make written excuses for your loss. you’ve actually written two *different* explanations of why you lost (that you lost on purpose to guarantee a survive, and that you don’t actually care about trying hard). I don’t know you, but I *know* you; you’re projecting your insecurity into me. You feel bad about losing or being called out for poor play, so you discharge this bad feeling by talking about crying and losing sleep. You brought up *those* ideas - not me. I want to talk to you about Diplomacy. You want to talk about whining and crying. Move forward! You can do it!

More important than learning anything in particular that experienced players are telling you, is to learn to accept criticism. Don’t FIGHT it. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t reply to my criticisms, and I bet you’ll reply even now. It feels bad to lose, and even worse to be criticized for a strategic mistake you made all on your own believing that it was wise. But instead of trying to clear your conscience by attacking wise players who dispense advice free of charge, you should think about what they have to say.

Even if you reply by denying my teachings now and forever, or even if you read this and never reply, I bet that this message will someday influence and alter your thinking. One day you will care about playing for draws and understand how to do so. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later.
22 Nov 18 UTC on a detailed level, about specific moves and communications:

in the fall of 1907: Aegean Sea supported Austria into Ionian Sea. This was my first active attempt to convince you to attack France. At this point of the game, Italy was still alive in Portugal which restricted France's reinforcement movements. it would have been very easy to retake Ionian and invade Italy to liberate it from the french.

spring 1908, the response was that Austria attacked turkey, AND Austria supported Venice to hold for two turns in a row. The message I interpreted as "Austria loves France" "doesn't mind obvious looming French solo"

Spring of 1909, I tried again, I attack Ionian. The response was the same: more love for France.

Finally, I just gave Austria Bulgaria, but by then it was obviously way too late to stop the solo.

So, i made it abundantly clear that I would not attack you, if you attacked France and stopped attacking me. You didn't care.
22 Nov 18 UTC New highlevel gunboat gameID=231922 good luck!
22 Nov 18 UTC inappropriate.. haha seriously! Did you miss the part where this was a game?? just set a password if you're that upset. don't worry i cba to join if it will ruin your mood so badly, you can both feel free to join
22 Nov 18 UTC Not inappriate at all. This game was called "Highlevel Gunboat", so you're expected to play at a high level which does not include playing to survive a solo.
If the game was called "Let's try really weird opening moves", you'd be expected to do that.

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josemurc (27151 D)
Won. Bet: 150 D, won: 1050 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
sirKristof (15 D X)
Survived. Bet: 150 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Tugster (13048 D)
Survived. Bet: 150 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
swordsman3003 (13762 D (G))
Survived. Bet: 150 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
Claesar (4706 D Mod)
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
Valis2501 (2232 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
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