Classic 72hrs Anon #3 - webDiplomacy

ppartay, The Lord Duke, damo666, Deeply_Dippy, RampantLion, ziran, eddy

01 Aug 18 UTC	Autumn, 1902: Chillax France. I don't believe there's any metagaming going on.
03 Aug 18 UTC	Spring, 1903: Neither do I now, my lack of understanding of modern technologies and the extent of the abilities of said technologies was beyond my thought processes at that time of asking. I think it would help if I revealed that I am no spring chicken and a bit of a Luddite. I have never trusted a calculator, never mind electronics. So reliance or trust in something that I do not have total control over, is beyond my....... personal comfort zone. I hope this has not revealed who I am.
03 Aug 18 UTC	Spring, 1903: It's OK, your secret's safe with me.
17 Aug 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: Could we please pause on Monday? I'll be away for three weeks and probably not able to go online in that time. Thanks in advance. (it would be nice if you could already vote pause so I just have to put in the last vote on monday and then you can all already vote unpause so we can continue as soon as I get back.)
17 Aug 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: Done
09 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: I'm back. Thanks for waiting.
12 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: France & Turkey - Can you vote Unpause please
12 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: Perhaps they have stopped playing entirely? If so, what do we do?
12 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: Dunno but it is a 3 day phase so let's give them time to notice the message.
12 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: If they don't respond in the next few days, we should contact the mods. They will probably either cancel this game or try to find replacements.
13 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: I feared this might happen with a long break - no criticism intended, Russia; I get that it happens sometimes.
13 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: I'm still here as well just to be clear.
13 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: Let's give them 72 hours
13 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: I am happy to go with the flow whichever way it goes.
14 Sep 18 UTC	Spring, 1904: I'm back too! Thanks for your patience folks.
29 Sep 18 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Sorry I missed the last phase! I'm back now...
05 Oct 18 UTC	Spring, 1906: I'm guessing none of us were brave enough to face WDC!
29 Oct 18 UTC	Spring, 1908: I forgot about this game :p
30 Oct 18 UTC	Spring, 1908: Gg guys :)
05 Nov 18 UTC	Autumn, 1908: If you all could stop taking turns backstabbing me that'd be great.
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: Well, this has been a very interesting game. Taking advantage of the French-German stalemate England took control of Scandinavia. At the same time, a growing Austria was stabbed by both France and Italy, which put them in a strong position. With Germany in a dire need of help, England chose to side with him in order to restore some kind of balance of power to the continent. By that time France and Italy had too many enemies, and their gains slowly eroded. All throughout the game, continuous turmoil and backstabs in the Balkans prevented anyone from asserting dominance in the south. Some such as Austria and Russia have had a harder time than most, but everyone played well. After discussions, England and Germany have agreed to offer a general draw to everyone. Given the circumstances, we feel like it would be the best conclusion for this game. We will cast our draw votes as soon as the following conditions are met: Russia, Austria, and Turkey must control between 0 and 5 SCs; France and Italy must control between 0 and 3 SCs. We think that this is a reasonable deal, which we hope satisfies everyone. Cheers!
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: I'm open to it. Why do y'all want to draw so early?
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: I can't speak for England but I'm happy with a draw that involves everyone. Allan Calhamer reportedly said that a 7-way draw would be the perfect outcome of a well played game.
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: As for me, my goal is not necessarily to win, but to play a good game. This has been a very good game, and I feel a general draw would end it well and make it memorable.
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: I have to admit for me it would feel a bit unearned to be part of this draw, but I won't complain :) I just want to make clear, that I understand, if Austria doesn't agree to the draw before I'm defeated ;)
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: But since the pot is split proportional to the number of controlled SCs my guess is that no one will disagree over the 1 point I'd get.
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: But the thing is, I don't see, why France and Italy should need to go down one sc each to be "allowed" to draw. With the conditions you demand, this looks more like a ruse to make an English invasion of Western Europe easier.
09 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: It's possible. We'll see this turn I suspect.
10 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: I thought it would be obvious that there is no ruse. Any way you look at it France can't realistically hold Paris this year since in the fall it's going to be 3v2. And it would be very unlikely to see Italy end this year with 4 centers.
10 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what we would gain by proposing a fake draw. Play this year as you would if we hadn't made the offer, and the conditions will likely still be met in the fall in any case. We'll cast our draw votes and the ball will be in your court(s).
10 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: Quite so.
10 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: I have voted for the draw, thank you for the offer.
10 Nov 18 UTC	Spring, 1909: Don't get me wrong, that is what I intend to do - it's not like I had many alternatives. I just wanted to voice concern about the honesty of your proposal, mainly to prevent anyone from thinking the game is practically over, casting draw and not giving orders anymore. Neither do I distrust you personally, nor do I actually distrust the offer. I only want to make sure, that the offer doesn't inform other actions than possibly casting a draw vote.
10 Nov 18 UTC	Personally, I think that if Germany and England can't force quite all the other players to get to the number of centers they've stated they prefer, let alone hold onto what they have, that it shows even greater need for them to settle for less and commit to the draw at the end of this year. If either or both of them do not follow through with the draw vote anyway, it'll seem like the draw offer was less a conciliatory gesture and more an attempt to bluster and blackmail their way into a result they don't actually have the strength to accomplish themselves. I certainly won't be the one to stand in the way of a draw, I should've died several times over in this game already, and I would be thrilled to see that neither Germany nor England nor anyone else hold up the draw.
10 Nov 18 UTC	My draw vote is in
11 Nov 18 UTC	Austria, as I've answered Turkey in PM before you wrote this message, our idea for the general draw dates back to when France was in a dominating position against Germany. You can confirm this with both Germany and Turkey via PM. This is not a ploy to end the game in our advantage, center-wise. We could have easily let you guys keep fighting in the Balkans while we kept pushing south, and ended this in a 3-way draw with Turkey (or something similar).
11 Nov 18 UTC	Also, since things seem to have become complicated, I'm willing to draw at the end of the year, no matter who has how many SCs.
11 Nov 18 UTC	Is anyone against that? Germany?
11 Nov 18 UTC	Fine by me
13 Nov 18 UTC	My draw vote is up.
13 Nov 18 UTC	Just waiting on Germany
13 Nov 18 UTC	Thank you all for a fine game. Well played everyone.
13 Nov 18 UTC	Thank you all for a fine game. Well played everyone.
13 Nov 18 UTC	Thank you all for a fine game. Well played everyone.
13 Nov 18 UTC	Well played all, thanks for the game.
13 Nov 18 UTC	Many thanks to one and all for a very interesting and unusual game.
14 Nov 18 UTC	More than happy with a draw in such company.
14 Nov 18 UTC	Good game everyone, well played all around.
14 Nov 18 UTC	Well played guys, it was a good game.
14 Nov 18 UTC	Agreed, good game everyone.