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Finished: 09 AM Thu 12 Jul 18 UTC
Featured Gunboat-770
1 day /phase
Pot: 777 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by joshbeaudette (1835 D)
10 Jul 18 UTC Germany, you totally handed Italy that win, which was completely preventable.
10 Jul 18 UTC Disbands after your NMR were ridiculous
10 Jul 18 UTC I am also sorry for my NMRs. Life things happened and I forgot about this game for a bit.

I tried my best to hold Italy back but I do feel I did not have support from the rest of the board.
10 Jul 18 UTC Loss of Munich was directly tied to German disband of Munich, in 1908, very poor play. The loss of Munich jeopardized the entire french lines. Germany should have held at Berlin/Munich, and sent you a fleet to reinforce via NAO. Germany threw the game like a baby essentially, after his own stupid NMR.
10 Jul 18 UTC really ironic too, as Russia would have been eliminated and France/Germany/England would have stopped Italy at the main 17 line. Germany's totally 100% self induced destruction, was unnecessary, caused himself to lose and gave Italy the solo.


Fall of 1908: German NMR Causes +2 -2 SC swing to England.

Obviously Italy a very serious solo risk, 11 SC and overwhelming positional advantage against Russia.

England expected north German fleets to be disbanded and built to invade Scan and Russia via Stp, as Russia looked doomed to die. England's plan was to go to Norwegian, army to Edinburgh, convoy to Norway, and go to Stp, to hold scan and the north lines against Italy eventually.

this would have left 3 Germany armies plus a few fleets to easily defend Berlin and Munich. England would have had a fleet to spare later to send to NA and back up France in MAO.

End result would have been a four way draw with Italy at 17 and France/Germany/England holding the line and a dead Russia, sorry Russia.

But then Germany made suicidal disbands, especially army Munich.

This effectively announced to the world two things

- I don't give a shit about an holding onto Munich or defending against an Italian Solo

- I am going to fight to the death over Scan. [that I stupidly lost via my own NMR!]

This forced England and Russia to try to take over Munich ourselves to protect the line, England convoy destined for Norway and Stp got diverted into Germany, if there were no German armies to hold Munich, then it would have to be Russian or English armies to do it! Obviously incredibly inefficient and ultimately a failed effort.

Compounding the problem was a German player constantly trying to thwart moves by Russia and England to take and hold Munich, and once going to north sea when it was obvious that France needed help via NAO...

Also, had Germany not NMRed, he could have held onto Munich and Berlin and still fought over scan until needing to hold back Italy.

Instead he 1) NMRed, and 2) Reacted in a totally irrational fashion afterwards, not Russia's fault, not England's fault, we were playing a normal game. So the spiteful play was spite directed by his own stupidity in NMRing..

And hence Germany just flat out threw the game to Italy for no reason whatsoever!

A Baby Play for Baby Player.
10 Jul 18 UTC and not France's fault either.

France's line absolutely depended on Munich not falling to Italy, to avoid the support cut of Burgundy, which later happened. France also needed a backup fleet from England or Germany in the north. France only had five units, he needed 6 to hold, 5 would fail with a wrong guess, and even though France guessed well, with only 5 units, the French south lines were doomed to fall.
11 Jul 18 UTC Well, I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth here; this is game, after all. But I will just say a couple of things. I never throw games on purpose. Sorry for the NMR: as with France, life happened. After that, I have no idea how England could possibly expect me to divine the extended strategic plan he had in his head in a game with no communication. I was under attack by England and Russia at the same time, and one can only benefit from a draw if one survives--which seemed doubtful to me at the time. Italy was a clear solo threat before 1908, as he had an easy attack against Russia available to him (which he took), which would obviously make him the strongest. So, I didn't see why I should expect England to switch from attacking me to attacking Russia in 1908 in particular. Meanwhile, Russia had moved 3 armies in my direction, and I had no reason to expect him to stop. I had only two armies, total, which meant that Munich was lost if Russia kept trying for it. So, I thought I'd give him Munich (which he did take), to preserve the line against Italy, while leaving me a fighting chance to survive in Scandinavia in the event of a draw. But Russia voluntarily moved out of munich to take Berlin (thereby giving it to Italy)--confirming my suspicion that Russia would continue to try to make up losses against Italy with gains against me. If England meant to be cooperating against Italy in 1908, I can't see why he wouldn't move to support France then, rather than attacking Russia, the only country actively fighting Italy. Again, perhaps I was supposed to divine that England somehow thought it would be a more efficient stop against Italy in the north by attacking Russia, than leaving Russia to do that itself. But, from where I stood, it seemed throughout the end game that it was England throwing the game to Italy. But, such is the confusion of gunboat. Anyway, well-won, Italy!
11 Jul 18 UTC Two comments:

You should have kept Munich. That alone would have made a huge difference. Picardy not so much. You had three armies, but you disbanded TWO of them, leaving yourself with only one. Better disband was Picardy, keep Munich and disband a fleet somewhere. Pulling Munich off of the map was so heavily and massively in favor of Italy that there was little chance of recovery.

Russia's move to take Munich was reasonable, but I agree that the Russian hit on Berlin, vacating Munich, and thereby giving it to Italy was a giant mistake. So, yes Russia took Munich, after you disbanded, okay, but then he should have stayed there, period.
11 Jul 18 UTC and it would have been simple to stay in Munich as the Italian took it with a single, unsupported unit... at first. Support began to grow of course.. and lack of coordination in gunboat made retaking it more difficult.

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