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Finished: 06 PM Sun 01 Apr 18 UTC
Help ChippeRock Get Better at Public Press Game 3
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Unranked
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
27 Mar 18 UTC Spring, 1907: I would have bounced you out of Galicia and put Munich in Tyrolia if I meant to hurt you, instead of giving you the breathing room and time to set up defenses. I certainly wouldn't be in Armenia. Don't be ridiculous.
27 Mar 18 UTC Spring, 1907: You certainly would be in damn Armenia! It's free SCs. I can help you get the SCs you need so they don't all have to come from France.

Please do not move Berlin to Prussia or Silesia!!
27 Mar 18 UTC Spring, 1907: If I wanted to invade you I would certainly not start off by mortally wounding your main rival and forcing him to recall all of his units from your front. Why knock out your counterweight for "free SCs" when it strengthens a power I intend to attack?
27 Mar 18 UTC Spring, 1907: Clearly I can't convince you of reason...
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: @Germany, can i support you into Rumania. I will also leave Ankara and Smyrna open for you to get the SCs. I just don't want Italy to gain any more ground... I definitely prefer German rule over my people.
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Glad your suddenly up for supporting Germany into a province you control...
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: This game is really tedious. I think I'd be really likely to solo if we kept going but I don't feel like grinding it out, especially in an unranked game.

France, Italy, Turkey, I'm open to negotiating a ceasefire and draw among the four of us. France, I realize this is a huge risk to ask of you, but I swear to you that I will immediately cease all hostile actions against you, if you agree to use MAO and Spain to capture Portugal so we can end this game.
The Germans will be withdrawing from Armenia and conceding Romania, and pursuant to previous agreements with Italy, will not be moving Prussia to Warsaw, Silesia or Bohemia.
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: My draw vote is in, however I ask that not all three of you also vote Draw until England is defeated. I think as the board leader it's my responsibility to vote Draw and leave it there without qualification to prove my sincerity, and to trust you not to end this prematurely.
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm happy with that. @Italy can we call a ceasefire along our borders for the next turn?
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Germany. Don't touch mao I'm having that support Spain to Portugal to end the pink menace
28 Mar 18 UTC Autumn, 1907: Copy that France
30 Mar 18 UTC Look at this joker building armies and not drawing!
France, Turkey, what do you say to making this a 3-way chop of the pot?
30 Mar 18 UTC Yes I'm in for that
30 Mar 18 UTC can you take rumania with my support please, to take him off my northern side? let me know from where..
30 Mar 18 UTC So Germany... You would rather have a more difficult 3 way draw where you have to prop Turkey up and where you solo easily versus an easy 3 way draw where I get rid of Turkey?

Literally your only reason is a solo.
30 Mar 18 UTC Hit Draw if you’re so worried about a solo, Italy
30 Mar 18 UTC Your avoiding the question. You would rather have a more difficult 3 way draw where it would take years to get rid of me and you would prop up Turkey in the process rather than an easy 3 way draw where I get rid of Turkey?
30 Mar 18 UTC I want to Draw. You’re the only one holding it up. If you don’t want me to crush any presumptuous solo aspirations lurking in the back of your head in embarrassing fashion, hit the Draw button. Just know you’ll be responsible for what happens next if you refuse.
30 Mar 18 UTC Itsly its unranked
30 Mar 18 UTC Me soloing? I would have to take down all of Turkey, take part of France (which the build in Rome doesn't help with) and take Sevastopol from you.

Again, I'm going for a 3 way draw. If you want to "3 way draw" with Turkey than good luck with your solo.
30 Mar 18 UTC I want to Draw. You're the only one holding it up. Who else am I supposed to attack to force a draw?
30 Mar 18 UTC Turkey, from Sevastopol if you would. Thank you.
30 Mar 18 UTC France, I'd like you to use Paris and Gascony to bounce me in Burgundy, and send Marseilles to Piedmont. Venice is yours once we get into position, which I'll be attempting to do this turn. My fleets are holding in place.
30 Mar 18 UTC Kk
30 Mar 18 UTC @France. I know there's a lot of hate directed at me about this but please hear me out, it would be stupid for your interests to attack me.

Think of it like this (I hope you will read the whole thing and not skim):

Germany & Turkey attacking me already gives Germany a good chance at a solo. What will adding to the chaos do for you? It increases the rout of Italy, thus allowing Germany to gain more SCs and attack you for the solo while your Fleets are stuck trying to attack me. Not only that, your only getting only Venice. Is attacking Italy really worth that? Especially when Italy's certainly not gonna solo with Germany & Turkey attacking him?

Now I'm hoping you look at cold hard facts and not follow the mob mentality in "attack Italy" and defend your home SCs from Germany to ensure that he doesn't solo. I suggest controlling Picardy & Burgundy because those are what should be French territories.

If you can't look beyond your anger about the fact I won't draw than your not a true pragmatic Diplomacy player.
30 Mar 18 UTC You are being so goofy right now Chip! Your argument would be really persuasive if you weren't the only one holding up the draw ;) As it stands, if I actually do push on you to try to solo, you can just hit draw and quell the threat instantly. If I ever withdraw my vote, the whole board knows I'm a fraud and turns on me before I hit 18.
This game is over, it's just a matter of squabbling over 3 vs 4 people in the draw... in an unranked game...

The more time you spend here the less time we spend on winning this damn Cup. Hit the button already baw!
30 Mar 18 UTC Couldn't have said that last part better.
30 Mar 18 UTC Yes, I'm holding up the draw. But if France can't see reason at all in what I said than he doesn't have the foresight to see what would happen if everyone piled on Italy.

France, do you really think 3v1 against Italy is really going to turn out well for you? While your stuck fighting me, Germany just has to backstab you for the win. Please go with my suggestion and defend yourself from Germany to prevent a solo. I'm only trying to achieve a 3 way draw.

It would be really unlucky if I've got a France that can't understand that at all.
30 Mar 18 UTC @Germany. Is Chip short for ChippeRock?
30 Mar 18 UTC You have a France that's only out for himself and is wondering why you're trying so hard in an unranked game
30 Mar 18 UTC So your not able to see any of the scenario I described occurring France? I'm disappointed but I guess that should be expected when you have less experienced players and your made out to be the bad guy when there's another behemoth in the shadows.
30 Mar 18 UTC Now Italy. I never said I sided with Germany
30 Mar 18 UTC You said you agreed partially with him. Now your trying to remain in the neutral ground without siding with me or Germany. Pick a side, state your side. 2v2 vs Germany & Turkey is a even fight.
30 Mar 18 UTC I agree with Germany that it's stupid to hold up an unranked game where we don't gain anything. However I have yet to decide who I will side with
30 Mar 18 UTC Italy, don’t you see you’re stalemated against Turkey without me? If I don’t want to cut him out, he won’t be cut out... simple as that!
Now quit playing around and draw this thing so we don’t have to waste any effort here that could be spent on the World Cup!
30 Mar 18 UTC I'm stalemated against Turkey? Leave me alone and Turkey will be gone in a few years. True, if you want to attack me than it'll just increase to a mostly stalemate between Turkey/Germany & Italy.
30 Mar 18 UTC No you dumb goober you can’t get past Bulgaria lmao
Con/EMS S AEG
You’re not getting to Sev
30 Mar 18 UTC Oh my god! There's a higher chance I take Sevastopol than Germany solos!

@Germany, your saying that in order to defeat me, would be easier than simply joining in on Turkey? Now who's stupid here. That's not pragmatic in any way. If eliminating me gets a 3 way draw than why not eliminate Turkey, who is significantly easier to do.
30 Mar 18 UTC Hit the Draw button and quit arguing with me, you’re the only one holding it up! Cmon!
30 Mar 18 UTC And yet you keep ignoring my key point on why you would try for a 3 way draw by eliminating me instead of a 3 way draw eliminating Turkey!
30 Mar 18 UTC I’m not you utter clown. If I hit you hard enough you’ll vote Draw. Come the hell on man.
30 Mar 18 UTC I suppose that's one option of making me draw with the added perk of a solo. The other option is to help me defeat Turkey.
30 Mar 18 UTC I’ll have you begging for the Draw quicker than we can kill Turkey ;)
30 Mar 18 UTC There's one major factor that determines that: Whether or not France realizes that a 3v1 against Italy results in a German solo.
30 Mar 18 UTC Good thing I made popcorn
30 Mar 18 UTC Only problem is you can't eat the popcorn because your the star in this movie!
30 Mar 18 UTC DAMN IT * throws popcorn over shoulder* Lets do this!
31 Mar 18 UTC Well Germany if you have to be like that and ruin the 3 way draw... Anyways good game... I think you slightly edged me out this game eh Germany?
31 Mar 18 UTC And I ultimately sided with Italy
31 Mar 18 UTC A little bit. I honestly think I would have soloed this one if I'd tried harder, but I lost interest when the World Cup started and didn't want our focus to be distracted. You played well here tho Chip!

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Germany
President Eden (1587 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
ChippeRock (2564 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
France
irelandball (134 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Turkey
geek2live (348 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
JohnWill (120 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
bluehorse (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Penguin_XX7 (431 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
anf (0 D X)France (Spring, 1901) with 3 centres.
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