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Finished: 10 AM Tue 13 Feb 18 UTC
What's that sharp stabbing pain in my kidney?!
12 hours /phase
Pot: 150 D - Autumn, 2016, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
17 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 2001: New Cuba player. Hello everybody.
17 Jan 18 UTC Autumn, 2001: Hello!
07 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: Great game everyone. I'll be holding most of my units from here on out. I guess I grew too quickly and scared everyone into a three-way match up versus me.

Quebec, I hope you rise above everyone and slay them all.

Peru, you're the underdog man stay strong.

Heartland, great stab my FRIEND.

Mexico, I hope you're next ;)

I guess if I had a dying wish it'd be that this game isn't ended by a draw. Someone solo please.

Best regards
07 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: Quebec, Heartland and Mexico three way draw I think.
07 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: GG NY
07 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: GG NY
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: New York: Good game and sorry about the stab. There is some danger in being the early front runner, and you fell victim to that.
If it is any consolation, I am going to try to get you that solo you asked for. ;)
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: That was some beautiful work there. Makes me glad I opted to slow Quebec and Mexico when you guys were attacking me.
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: haha so salty...
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: It's just business. I sell potato chips.

Do you have some tears you can spare? I am fresh out.
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: I really hope this doesn't turn into a salt throwing match of dead and dying countries. I go peacefully and of good mind.

May I learn from my mistakes to improve my strategic prowess
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: I have found a couple of times when I am being sacked by coordinated powers, that if you pick one to oppose and the other to let through your territory, the one you are opposing gets nervous and turns on the other. If you’re dying the only option you have is to foster strife.
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: But I also like being right and I correctly predicted Heartland would wind up much stronger than Mexico from my collapse. He didn’t have a ton of options, but he wasn’t him a place to capitalize from my death. In another world he should have moved against Heartland then.
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: ...sigh....wise words from a dead man. I disagree with you about betraying Heartland then, it would have been the wrong move. But believe whatever you want. If I lose that is fine with me, I will make my own judgement on what I did wrong and how I an improve.
08 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: I'm just surprised i lasted this long. thank you everyone for allying with me and I hope (and doubt) ill make it to the end. thanks for a fun game.
09 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: The absolute credit goes to Heartland. I was not privy to his negotiations, but he set himself up to stab both Mexico and Quebec at the same time. All other plotting aside, it was a fairly masterful stroke. I would certainly be quite proud of it if I had managed to do it myself.

Heartland was outnumbered quite significantly by the two powers and still crippled them both in essentially one turn. A jolly good show.
09 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 2014: How many TCs to win this game?
09 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 2014: 34 it looks like. If New York and Peru continue to oppose him, it’s not a done deal, but Peru is being a little invaded by Mexico.

I think he’ll be able to take Quebec out before Mexico can redeploy to counter the stab, which is I think they key.
09 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 2014: it's a long shot, some might say it is pointless....but one has to die with dignity.....
09 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 2014: Wow there is a lot of stuff going down
09 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 2014: It's never pointless! Quebec more than held his own last turn, so that is good for you. I think Peru is the key. If he's a nihilist he could take down Mexico, but he'd lose his spot at a 5 way draw.

I don't think it's too likely though. I would do it, but then again my philosophy is to screw the people who attack me, to discourage that sort of behavior in the future. The optimal game state would be to work with everyone else and try to get a 5 way draw, maybe even 4 way if New York gets offed in the process.
12 Feb 18 UTC Draw vote is in guys. You guys have fought well and it would be a real slog for me to go any further.
Quebec, it’s up to you to wrap it up.
12 Feb 18 UTC good game guys! it was tempting to carry on and see if we could kill you off but very well played!
12 Feb 18 UTC Not the ending that I wanted but I have gratitude that I was aloud to be in the draw.
12 Feb 18 UTC GG guys. So far one of the more enjoyable games I have played.
12 Feb 18 UTC Well played indeed!
12 Feb 18 UTC Good game everyone.

At the end, it came down to the fact that I could only create 3 units a year. Given that I expanded so quickly in so many directions, adding "only" 3 units made it very difficult to cover all of my supply centers.

I had particular difficulty deploying my units along my border with Mexico with sufficient speed. The delay in getting enough units down to the Mexican border gave Mexico enough time to fortify its side of the border. Plus your combined naval superiority tied up a ton of my units along my coasts.

I believe I could have ultimately taken all of Quebec's holdings except for Greenland, but pushing further south against you guys cooperation was going to be very difficult. Perhaps not impossible, but enough of a slog that I thought a draw was reasonable.

Good game again. You all did an admirable job of uniting against a common enemy and fighting to prevent the solo. I just wish this was a sum of squares game now. :)
12 Feb 18 UTC I think you would have gotten the solo, even with everyone cooperating against you. However, I agree with you that it would have been a long hard slog and I'm not sure I would have had the patience myself.

It's just too hard to get armies into or out of Mexico at this stage in the game. Quebec was fighting valiantly, but their metaphorical ship was sinking. Once Greenland was all they had left, you'd be at 33 centers.

Also, you had New York working on your behalf still, so you were at 27 effectively at the close of the game.

As far as I'm concerned, you won, as you certainly outplayed everyone.
12 Feb 18 UTC Sum of squares would have been fairer. I agree, Heartland was more likely to win than us beating him....but it would have taken so so long, that I thought people might be up for a draw. Great game though.
12 Feb 18 UTC Ive made a different game which i think you can all find and join if you want to. could be fun having some of us play again. you guys were good opponents

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sideroxylon1 (765 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
25 supply-centers, 25 units
Alvaro (154 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
DordLord (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 30 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
JackOfTrades (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 30 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Mr.Sheridan (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Horris (130 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
MattyofG (210 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Fawaaz10 (852 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
helms (100 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Mannerbroheim (205 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
Trautmen (100 D)Cuba (Spring, 2001) with 5 centres.
It's.Chris (0 D X)California (Autumn, 2009) with 6 centres.
Jacob811 (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 1999) with 3 centres.
xaviervxz (100 D)Peru (Autumn, 2009) with 6 centres.
iDisailore (100 D)Cuba (Autumn, 2006) with 3 centres.
Terron79 (0 D X)California (Spring, 2007) with 6 centres.
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