Finished: 11 AM Sat 06 Jan 18 UTC
Grown like a butterfly 6
1 day /phase
Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1916, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Tugster (13048 D)
05 Jan 18 UTC Nice play england :)
05 Jan 18 UTC Thank you, that was quite a game.
05 Jan 18 UTC Germany knew that England was the real solo threat, not Turkey, even though Turkey was always 2 or 3 SC ahead, with three fleets well established in the med, England has been the real threat for a long time sooner than most realized. Germany even threw himself on his sword to try to warn you guys...
06 Jan 18 UTC Well done Tugster
06 Jan 18 UTC Thanks
06 Jan 18 UTC GG.

I realized England was the threat in 1911, only I have no clue what I could have done differently.

I supported Russia but he kept supporting moscow instead of taking Scan for free.

I tried to support munich (eventually) but Ger started moving Again.

I retreated in Italy and supported Rome, but Italy kept doing nothing about Eng so I felt like I had to do it myself.

Not trying to dish out blame, just curious What i should have done differently.

@ Italy: in the final years the only way to stop eng was to take Tunis back. It would have worked I think if you would have gone for it. Did you check my orders? I tried to get you in West med for ages.

Was a fun game. Thanks all.
06 Jan 18 UTC I don't know Turkey. It's very difficult in gunboat to correctly guess coordinated moves, such as taking West Med. That's why for a few turns, I risked not supporting West Med, hoping that the two of you would not both guess correctly on the same turn.
06 Jan 18 UTC I do think that the instant that an English fleet enters the med, your priority needs to shift away from killing Italy and more towards getting the English out of the med. Once I was firmly established in the med, it was obviously much harder situation. The first English fleet entered the med in spring of 1908. You could have left Italy alone from then on and concentrated on the Germany and Russian fronts. With full concentration on the German front, you would have won Berlin or Munich, preventing an English solo, and perhaps wining a Turkish one.
06 Jan 18 UTC And then Italy would have stayed viable at 6 or 7 SC, meaning that Italy could have kept England out of the med, if he had not been under constant assault from Turkey.
06 Jan 18 UTC You just HOLD in Ionian Sea and constantly support Italy back into Tunis. And you HOLD in Trieste, never attack Venice, use all your armies to take both Munich and Berlin. Eventually, Italy takes back Tunis and the med, and then you stab him for the win while he is facing England, instead of Turkey
07 Jan 18 UTC Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Around 1908 I still believed I could be fast enough to just solo, but I guess I underestimated the board state.

Ah well, a good learning experience :)

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Tugster (13048 D)
Won. Bet: 30 D, won: 210 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
Ratobe (166 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Bob Al Hubob (1191 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Mister Pazel (101 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
tektelmektel (2801 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
King John (155 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
erzetael (1239 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
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