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Finished: 04 AM Wed 20 Dec 17 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
18 Dec 17 UTC Thanks for game everyone. Merry Xmas
18 Dec 17 UTC GG.
18 Dec 17 UTC Good game.
18 Dec 17 UTC Tugster, once you telegraphed your intentions to stab in Spring 1902, I never trusted you again. I’m sure I was premature in stabbing you at the end, but I knew it was only a matter of time before you went after me, and I wanted the first shot.
18 Dec 17 UTC Gg, too bad a steady alliance could not materialize in the north :P
18 Dec 17 UTC Austria, what are you talking about I was doing a Lepanto and covering a Home Supply Center nothing to do with stabbing you
18 Dec 17 UTC In the fall of 1902, you interfered with my Lepanto and you attacked me. Those were choices that you made, not me
18 Dec 17 UTC Dear Turkey.
A Lepanto going on and you keep fighting me ever and ever. I can't understand your motivation. The outcome could not be different. Russia and Turkey were the only defeated in the game.
18 Dec 17 UTC In Spring 1902 you covered a center you had intentionally left uncovered and sent your fleet to Aegean rather than Eastern Med. You are the master of indicating your intentions, so surely that was an attack on Austria. Going to Aegean is not a Lepanto. If you had gone to Eastern Med, you convoy to Syria and my fleet Aegean supports you to Smyrna the next turn.
18 Dec 17 UTC I had to cover Venice because you had an army in Trieste, duh. Never in my life have I seen an Austria interfere with an Italian lepanto, and for 5 years! I finally got to do it in 1906, when Austria eventually gave up interfering. I finally got my lepanto done, despite no help from Austria and an attack by Austria.
18 Dec 17 UTC And Austria, if your logic of stabbing me was that I perhaps was going to stab you later, then, if you play that way, you have to attack everyone at once, because surely anyone on the map, might, possibly stab you in the future..
18 Dec 17 UTC Tugster, you seem to be deliberately ignoring what I said.

First, you had left Venice empty then you changed your mind. No big deal, but as you told me previously, every move contains a signal. You went from “I trust you, let’s be allies,” to “I don’t trust you.” Still, in a vacuum, no big deal.

But second, how does a Lepanto to Aegean work? How can that possibly be considered a logical way to attack Turkey? Are you planning to convoy an army to Crete? I’ve never seen that strategy in 20 plus years of playing.

You are a great player, better than me, but you should really own up to what you did.
18 Dec 17 UTC I left Venice open, when Trieste was open. I am not a fool to leave Venice open while there is an army in Trieste. Go and study more, magically transform yourself into a better player, I don't have time to do it.
18 Dec 17 UTC Nice lesson Tugster. I have to study more your gamed to improve my Italy skills.
18 Dec 17 UTC Tugster is a great player. He’s being stubborn about the move to the Aegean, but anyone studying his games would improve.
18 Dec 17 UTC I know. Doing it for some time.
18 Dec 17 UTC I really have only one final comment for this game, and it's directed at England. Why draw? I only vote draw when it's obvious I cannot win, but your England position still had a good chance to win. You've already breached the med, own Tunis, Moscow, landing an army in Belgium. It's just the beginning for you, not the end. You are nearly impervious to attack from Germany, and all you have to do is bring Tunis back to break MAO and you can beat France. It would take a while, but still lots of good play left trying to win as England. I would not draw from that position. Everyone else, sure, but not England on this map.
18 Dec 17 UTC And Austria would be helping you the whole time in two ways, without really doing it on purpose: he would press the center and north, but he can never permanently win that way. And he ties up all of Italy, as long as Ionian Sea never falls, the entire eastern side is stalemated, but not you. You can take MAO this turn, and advance from there.
18 Dec 17 UTC True. I am in position to attack. But without hidden draw votes there will be quick coalition against me.
And I have some small emergency at work this week. I am trying to finish as much games as possible where solo is far away.
But yeah, shame on me. Draw with England having both Tunis and Moscow :/
18 Dec 17 UTC that was a game good to see.
i am sorrow you all didn't keep it going for a few more rounds.
18 Dec 17 UTC Moscow was about to fall. And I was going to give Germany and Italy a free hand to attack England to force the draw. And germany’s fleet and my two Armies make it hard to hold St. Pete. But I agree that it was a few moves early to concede the draw. I understand work, though.
19 Dec 17 UTC last moves:
france attacked germany,
england attacked france.
the game were not done yet.
19 Dec 17 UTC Agreed, draws should not be voted upon until the map is actually in a drawn position, this one was not.

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