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Finished: 07 PM Mon 25 Dec 17 UTC
Fall of the American Empire-4
1 day /phase
Pot: 100 D - Autumn, 2019, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: i still i have to kill california, but after that im fine with drawing, ill stop pushing on the eastern front
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Why is it you need to kill California? Let's draw now. Christmas and all.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Because he insulted me, and its not christmas just yet, ill draw when california is dead
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: long story short when bc was still alive and controlled anchorage, i told california i wanted it, and he said that he wanted greenland, which has been under my control for the entire game. When i told him that he responsed by saying "I get anchorage, you can have greenland."
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Wow, you've had this grudge for 15 years.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Looking from the outside it doesn't seem that big a slight to me, and sometimes it's better to let grudges go, but apparently not this time for you. We'll play it out. But I'll keep my draw vote up in case you change your mind.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Really starting to wonder if Heartland and Quebec are one person. Both have a problem with grudges.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: California get 4 points if we draw now, why not let him have it? For the sake of christmas spirit? :)
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: The fact that we both hold grudges is why we are allies, it was his grudge against Florida that made us allies. As to him getting 4 points, I would normally agree to that, but this is a civil disorder California, so he didn't bet anything. I'm not *entirely* unreasonable, so I'll draw on Christmas day, or when California is dead, whichever happens first
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Perù bet 0
Heartland bet 0
you will not stop after california.
In different case has no sense defeat only california .
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Heartland is my ally and Peru at the very least feigned diplomacy. My quarrel is with you and only you
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: If I take all 5 Californian sc's I will have 23. If I try to solo it will be me vs everyone, so 23 vs 35. I cannot solo
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: sorry i do not understand.It strange you want only californa.
perhaps because i am sure you and heartland are not playing honestly
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: I don't want California itself, I want you dead. It doesn't matter to me who owns California in the end, as long as its not you
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: wow.... great strategy.. an amazing strategy...
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: It won't be everyone against you, as Heartland has said he only wants Florida dead and doesn't mind if you solo. But that's beside the point. A grudge is a grudge. Bah. Humbug.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Its a new Florida though, and heartland has said they no longer want Florida dead.
20 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Oh and BTW its not a strategy its a goal
21 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Wooh wooh wait. Why can’t someone other than Quebec take California?
21 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: If what Quebec want is a dead Cali...
21 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: Meh nvm dead
21 Dec 17 UTC Spring, 2018: PFFFFT
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: first time i was defeated for a grudge and not for the game.
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: Florida: we tried that happen for the last few years. But Peru and Cuba would rather try defend Cali and former Florida instead of taking them and finish the game. I agree, its much better for all of us if me or Peru take the last two 2 SC’s. What you think Peru? Still want to defend Cali or do you want San D?
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: and California has tried to stop quebec every turn.
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: While florida was waiting or not move
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: California, if you had done diplomacy with me then there would be no grudge. Also stop talking in the third person
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: there where no possibilty to have a diplomatic approch with you.
only heartland have accepted your autority
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: infact he do not matter if you win this game...
21 Dec 17 UTC Autumn, 2018: you have consistently refused to negotiate with me even before i was a great power
23 Dec 17 UTC Everyone ready to draw now?
23 Dec 17 UTC My draw vote is in. Florida? Quebec?
23 Dec 17 UTC we have to wait for fall
23 Dec 17 UTC or i guess fall to be over, 1 more turn
23 Dec 17 UTC also florida you need to put in your draw vote
23 Dec 17 UTC Yeah got mine done
24 Dec 17 UTC Quebec, if you'll ready up we can end this. Just you holding the turn.
24 Dec 17 UTC ah sorry, i usually dont ready up, thanks for the message tho
24 Dec 17 UTC Now that the game's over i can honestly say i wasnt planning on solo, I almost always try for a draw, Back when i moved into MAO i wasnt planning on stabbing you, and the reason i didnt move back was beacuse i was worried about you stabbing me, beacuse you had just stabbed texas
24 Dec 17 UTC I stabbed Texas because I'd offered and she'd accepted double support, then didn't do what she said she would do. Twice. Then I stabbed.
24 Dec 17 UTC Thanks to all who took over positions to keep the game going and stuck through to the end, especially Peru. I appreciate you resisting Quebec/Heartland jabbering to stab. It was a pleasure working with you!
24 Dec 17 UTC You're welcome! This game was a pleasure!
24 Dec 17 UTC Thanks for the 5pts!
24 Dec 17 UTC Thanks to all Good Game.
I think Autumn 2010 was decisive for this game when army in Nebraska had to disband.
24 Dec 17 UTC Good game and merry christmas!
24 Dec 17 UTC I think the deciding factor of this game was when i convinced old florida to stab heatland, i was goign to die if florida attacked me, but since they attacked heatland, heartland became dedicated to their destruction, so we became allies, and the rest is history
24 Dec 17 UTC Indeed, me and Florida together would have been really strong.
24 Dec 17 UTC I think the major factor that made our allience so strong was the fact that i completly trusted you not to stab and you allowed me to take some of your sc's so i couldnt really stab. That and the fact that it was a bit of a juggernaut thing after i took over BC
24 Dec 17 UTC I'm glad Cuba didn't just take all my centers right from the start.
24 Dec 17 UTC Even after a lot of conflict and mistrust, we forged a rock-solid alliance.

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Quebec
dovakin1000 (164 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 56 D
21 supply-centers, 20 units
Heartland
Avataria (143 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 16 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Peru
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 16 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Cuba
DaddyO (350 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 11 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Florida
Aussieronaldo (502 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
California
arrakis (1240 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Texas
MamaLama (212 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Mexico
TheOddTony (154 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
New-York
Trafalgar Law (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
British-Columbia
LunarEmerald (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
jbloom3 (20 D X)Peru (Autumn, 2004) with 3 centres.
toastymow (100 D)British-Columbia (Autumn, 2000) with 4 centres.
j0nsn0w (17 D X)British-Columbia (Autumn, 2007) with 2 centres.
finndawg17@gmail.com (100 D)California (Spring, 2001) with 5 centres.
Ahhhh7018 (100 D)British-Columbia (Autumn, 2001) with 5 centres.
Anneal (215 D)Florida (Autumn, 2017) with 6 centres.
jherrmy (100 D)Heartland (Autumn, 2000) with 7 centres.
Crossrad52 (100 D)Mexico (Autumn, 1999) with 3 centres.
Sherbert77 (100 D)Mexico (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
rylmak (100 D)British-Columbia (Autumn, 2008) with 0 centres.
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