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Finished: 01 PM Wed 15 Nov 17 UTC
Elbaf
1 day /phase
Pot: 50 D - Autumn, 2016, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by MinuTeineKasutaja (2439 D)
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: This is such a futile struggle. Mexico and BC are just about evenly matched while the Caribbean is simply too small for Quebec to squeeze enough fleets through. It will take a while for the situation to show any signs of changing (if it does at all).
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: Don't worry, it will change :) Besides, we are gaining SCs every year, weakening the hold
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: Hopefully BC will eventually realize that your the real enemy here.

BC, Quebec only needs 12 more SCs to win and he could probably get half of them if he were to turn on you.
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: While I will fight like hell to defend the Caribbean, I cannot guarantee that it will hold forever. If my defense falls, Quebec could quickly stab you and solo the game. Your grueling war against Mexico is only putting us all at risk of a Quebecois victory.
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: While I will fight like hell to defend the Caribbean, I cannot guarantee that it will hold forever. If my defense falls, Quebec could quickly stab you and solo the game. Your grueling war against Mexico is only putting us all at risk of a Quebecois victory.
25 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: BC! How could you let Quebec take Dallas? He's only 11 SCs away from winning and he can take several of those from you if he so chooses.
25 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: And he has broken through Peru's front lines.
25 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: We wouldn't have taken Dallas if Arkansas didn't move there and also, as I've said before, I'm not going to attack BC, I take much more enjoyment out of defeating Peru on the Caribbean and besides, I haven't played this map that much so it's good experience to figure out the best choke points and so on :) In another game I'm in a similar situation as Peru is so it really seems like the Florida area and the Caribbean is the main hotspot for fighting - at least on east coast anyway
25 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2010: You are either playing for a 3 way draw or a solo. The latter is significantly more likely because by the time were in position for a 3 way draw you would only need a couple of SCs to win.
26 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 2011: BC, it really looks like an attack on you is imminent...
26 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 2011: To you guys, the attack has been imminent for a few years now
26 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 2011: Well obviously, you have to attack all of us at some point in order to solo.
26 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 2011: If I was going for solo even then I wouldn't need to attack BC, Peru's defences are already crumbling and I don't see Peru being able to effectively defend much longer
28 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2011: Peru what are you doing submitting hold orders!
28 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2011: He's 9 SCs from winning BC!!! You better get smart and turn on him and force the 4 way draw.
03 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2013: Peru! Cmon man. BC will realize Quebec is going for the solo eventually. Although probably too late.
07 Nov 17 UTC Autumn, 2014: BC, expect a Bogota to Lima move.
08 Nov 17 UTC Autumn, 2014: BC! How can you be so blind!!! Quebec now needs 7 SCs to win!!! And if Peru is eliminated he'll win!
08 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: BC! That army doesn't look friendly to you. Attack him while you still can!
08 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Man, you have a huge 'I told you so' coming your way!!!
08 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: If I wanted to attack BC then I would have built in Ungava not Montreal :)
08 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Not if you decided to be lowkey about it and try to take out BC's centers which border yours in the USA rather than the far and distant Canadien SCs.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Yeah, I guess but still not going to do that :)
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: That move to Ontario doesn't exactly look friendly. But I'm sure BC will soak up whatever lies you have to say to cover that.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: BC!!! Quebec can take 5 of the 7 SCs he needs to win this Fall if he turns on you. Get fucking smart!!
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: I bother more about the move to gulf of stl..
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Actually, Quebec can win if he takes 2 SCs from me, 5 SCs from Peru, and 2 SCs from you this Fall. Maybe you should think about that.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: And these are all SCs that he can easily do, Tampa or Miami is cakewalk; Havana, Yucatan, & Lima are all exposed and only need a unit to take; Cali is real easy; And Kingston is really easy as well.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: So, it's too late now.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Hopefully you feel good about your role in Quebec's solo.
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: Very good, its always a real good feeling to make people happy
09 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2015: GG Quebec!
10 Nov 17 UTC Autumn, 2015: Not sure why Quebec didn't move to Lima for the solo. Maybe he wants to make sure he has a huge margin of victory so that it looks like he dominated this game when in reality it was just BC's stupidity.

And BC! If you think this means Quebec is going for a 3 way draw your overlooking Tampa, Havana, Kingston, Panama, Cali, Lima, Guatemala, & Nuevo Leon.
11 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: BC! Explain to me why a Fleet build in Ungava instead of Montreal is not threatening to you? Also, The build in Montreal looks very dangerous as well.
11 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Why would I build a fleet in Montreal? Also, why would the margin of victory even matter?
11 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: It really doesn't, but you had a clear set of winning moves last turn so you must obviously be trying to go for a large margin of victory.
11 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Oh, I'm not, I'm going for a 2-way draw
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Pfft ahahahaha! Why would you, ranked 253rd on this site two way draw with somebody that isn't even ranked?

Besides, you can't extinguish Peru and help extinguish me and at the same time not gain that one SC you need for victory.
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: I don't care about the points or rank that much and I think BC deserves a draw with me since BC helped me a lot by not attacking me earlier
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Quebec, take your solo.
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Really... LOL! It was BC's stupidity and naiveness that resulted in you being one SC from a victory.
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Still not sure how you expect to get rid to finish off Peru's 3 SCs and help finish off my 6 SCs without winning...
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: One aspect of this game is recognizing when your ally is growing too powerful, or if you are the stronger ally, when you are growing way more powerful than your ally. There comes a point where, in the cutthroat spirit of the game, you should push a solo. You're at that point. Draws are for stalemates, Mexican standoffs nobody wants to break, or an alliance that is equally powerful between them.
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Now he's just trying to make the map look prettier with all Green...
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Quebec has captured Tampa. BC, your an idiot.
12 Nov 17 UTC Spring, 2016: Oh, intellectual
14 Nov 17 UTC Well played, Quebec. My defense simply was not as strong as I thought it would be, and you made good use of that.
14 Nov 17 UTC And BC believed Quebec when he said he was going to Draw...
14 Nov 17 UTC Good game I guess! But it was really BC's naiveness that got you a victory.
14 Nov 17 UTC Good game :)

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Quebec
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 50 D
35 supply-centers, 30 units
British-Columbia
springm4 (45 D X)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
Mexico
ChippeRock (2564 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
3 supply-centers, 5 units
Peru
Technostar (251 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 0 units
Florida
Lbarbs (150 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Cuba
iamfavre (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Texas
Trafalgar Law (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
California
andred (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Heartland
Nerizan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
New-York
Hunterhous (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
Hunterhous (100 D)New-York (Autumn, 2003) with 0 centres.
dobreni (0 D X)Cuba (Autumn, 1999) with 3 centres.
Farenheit (0 D X)Mexico (Autumn, 2003) with 8 centres.
stormhunter497 (0 D X)California (Autumn, 2002) with 4 centres.
ZergSlayer (100 D)New-York (Autumn, 2000) with 5 centres.
wyldwarrior (100 D)British-Columbia (Spring, 2000) with 4 centres.
MigdalOz (0 D X)Florida (Spring, 2003) with 6 centres.
M.Lanigan (100 D)California (Spring, 2003) with 4 centres.
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