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Finished: 10 PM Mon 19 Jun 17 UTC
OJ is innocent
1 day /phase
Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by TheRealPatches (598 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: So Russia, we have every right to yell at you for letting Turkey solo because you did. And your not on the frontline too, Turkey can waltz his way into St Petersburg right now if he wanted to. respectable civilization, what a bunch of Russian baloney, respected not really disliked definitely. I'm dying over here fighting against Turkey, what have you done? Run away? Even beg Turkey for peace so you can "gain respect"? And then to have the audacity to proclaim that the rest of us is doing nothing while your fighting, your fighting all right, France and Germany.
13 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sorry for the rant guys, Ive noticed Russia's lack of action against Turkey several times but Russia's nerve to say we are doing nothing while he's fighting that blew my boilers.
13 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: it's beyond disgraceful to me.
13 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: Guys guys relax. In not even going to solo so we can just all take a step back
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Wow you guys are mad over a game. I don't really have much of a stake in this, since I bet 0 to be in this game.
You guys keep having the same argument: fighting someone who's not fighting Turkey is actively helping Turkey. Quite the opposite. If France starts losing the war against Germany, Germany will get more land and more units, making it easier for them to fight Turkey. Similarly, if France stops fighting Germany, Germany will be able to fight Turkey. Say what you will, but at least I got ONE UNIT from Germany to go closer to their border with Turkey.

Ok, now I will impart upon you the knowledge I have gotten from traveling the worlds' oceans, taking SC's from the band of clowns that is somehow going to drop everything they've been doing and go fight Turkey. Now that I have a build from taking London, I can actually go build an army and fight Turkey. If you guys would shut up about how I'm ruining the integrity of the game and just watch me play the game, you would realize that, Oh hey, Russia wasn't going to beat Turkey with one boat in St. Petersburg, and he would have just died to the armies in Livonia and Moscow. Maybe Russia should strike a deal with Turkey to not die, potentially making it so he can fight Turkey later when he won't just die.
France didn't even lose a unit, and Germany actually gets a build. If you need me, I'll be sitting here in the pile of moral ambiguity, where I am neither right nor wrong.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I'm at fault here too, I missed 2 turns and that helped Turkey, but nearly as much as Russia's lack of action here. 2 armies he could have taken Moscow and maybe Warsaw and help ease Turkish pressure on me. But at least I'm not yelling at the world I recognize they are at least trying to help me.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Too late Russia, too late action was needed when you joined not now, Rome and Venice will fall this year and you might be able to take Moscow but I doubt it.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Yo but actually France and Germany haven't had a chance to prove their mettle against Turkey, since France has a wall of countries in the way and Germany has been fighting France. And now Germany has made a fleet, a unit that has no use against Turkey and is just going to be used against me. Austria, Italy, you're actually trying. Britain didn't get a chance, France didn't get a chance, and Germany has chosen against. Noone is yelling at Germany to get their head in the game, just me.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Maybe Russia should strike a deal with Turkey to not die, potentially making it so he can fight Turkey later when he won't just die.

Maybe Russia should not have dilly-dallied for years and start fighting him the moment you got a second build.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: There is no way I can build more than one army, Turkey would see my intentions (as an army is only useful against him) and crush me. We'll see if I can get an army build, but that will require me to take another French SC, and we all know you guys hate that.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I actually congratulate Turkey on this one, allowing Russia to hurt our chances by letting him live while he can dispatch me was genius good move on his part. It also helped by Russia's lack of dignity.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I really want to move out and contest Turkey but Russia is expanding into my holdings which has already deprived me of a vital fleet and at this rate will make that endeavor unsustainable.

If Russia had any concern for the objective of the game he would not have built a single fleet since Turkey shifted his focus westward.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I don't really blame Russia considering if my interactions with other countries and any indication to what he ran into it may be somewhat understandable. Germany was the only one I spoke with that seemed somewhat tolerable to talk with. I made a decent attempt several times to work with several and in the end I got the responses that I did.

Most of my fall I feel is because I became pretty busy a few days ago and missed a build so I take a bit of blame for that but its the first move I missed in about 8 games or so. It kind of sucks but it is what it is :/ at least I could of contended a little at sea.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Hey, thank you Italy. I know how hard it is to stand for what you believe in or even defend someone who is being heavily criticized. It means a lot to me that you said that. Even if it wasn't technically positive, it wasn't negative.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I am willing to lead of team of:

England/France/Russia/Germany/Italy, all combined together to stop the Turkish solo. I am an expert at these sorts of teams:

conditions: Stop all the bickering, done.
Put all forces under unified command for the good of all.
We can stop him at 17, with all of us together we can prevent 18
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Relax I'm not going for the solo once Italy and Austria I will draw this so we all can get paid.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: And England forgot about him
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Sorry that was a terrible sentence. I was trying to say once england, Italy and Austria are eliminated I want to draw this. It has been a well hard fought game
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Oh great British Commander, in your infinite wisdom, what shall my St. Petersburg army do? Shall I send it to Moscow? Please inform me to the best of your ability.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: @Russia - Mostly after having interacted with several here its been hard to really feel all that happy to work with some. They expected someone to work with you even as they were trying to put you under. Austria and France are salty about me not doing what they told me to as they took Venice makes for a hard case.. :P
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: We took Venice to give Austria a few more turns in case no one else helped him slow Turkey down. This turned out to be a woefully accurate prediction.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: It was not done out of malice and it was done with the assumption that Italy was more interested in winning than in petty revenge.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: No it was more so done to keep me from a 2nd fleet :P. It could equally be easy to assume that you may of been coordinating with Turkey just your side of the agreement was broadsided by Italy and Germany (which you were also coordinating against though you would of needed them to stop Turkey).

That all being said I am not upset or anything just explaining where you likely went wrong :)
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: That's all ridiculous of course but I'm not going to dignify it with a response.

Germany woke up and Russia is at least pretending to have done so too, I hope you can join the club eventually.
13 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1908: @France I should be eliminated by the end of this year. It makes no difference how I feel about it :P
15 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Hey guys, just so you know, Turkey is guaranteed a solo unless we a) stop him from taking Munich or b) take Moscow/Warsaw
@England you've done no such unified command, I requested some commands and you've given none. As such, I am taking it upon myself to give commands.
@Germany and @Italy, I want discussion between the two of you as to which has to bounce Turkey from taking Munich, I know neither of you really wants to do it but one of you has to do it.
@Austria I'm sorry but you're dead, unless you can somehow convince France to let you have Marseilles. I put that at a 0.1% chance.
15 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Russia is right.

Rome falls.
Venice falls.

I will send out a unified master order plan to everyone, in a bit, Munich can be defended.

Austria why did you move towards France?
15 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Reasons
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: This message goes to Germany, France and Russia. I will draw this game once england, Austria and Italy are eliminated so we each make $20.
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: @England will you willfully eliminate yourself so the game will draw?
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: no
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: No, i will not.
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: another heinous insult on the integrity of the game, from a Russian player that know nothing of the etiquette of this game. I fight every position to the death, to the last man, always.
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Ok *shrugs*
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Did you ask the same thing of Italy and Austria?
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: That feeling when you could have attacked Munich and the game would have been over
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy, seriously bounces Paris, while Turkey walks to a solo? Seriously?
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Lol I know right Russia I am kicking myself for sure. I didn't bother because I thought it would have been bounced
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I kind of like Germany as we had some good chats. I expected I would of bounced also and still ultimately died but I expected that even though Austria was going to die he decided to suicide to shore up Frances defenses :P.

I stopped taking anything France had to say seriously. He talks of Turkish expansion issues but then proceeds to go north with his fleets. If I didn't take your centers and build fleets no one was going to stop Turkey as you seemed to lack interest in doing it.
17 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1909: I meant what I said, but Russia is blatantly intent on profiting hugely from everyone's fear of Turkey in the case where everyone doesn't vote to draw. Russia was notified that I'd be withdrawing from one campaign if it was rendered unsustainable by a new threat, which he has readily provided. I don't know how you could have missed that without being new to Diplomacy. I'll explain the rest of you (when it's moot, since you tend to dangerously misunderstand) so you don't push the same poor judgment in future games.
17 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Dude I don't know where your priorities lie. Do you want to lose? I am trying to get you a draw here and all you are trying to do is eradicate me. The only thing I ever did to you was take London. You're still the 2nd biggest country, but that doesn't mean anything when the biggest country solos.
17 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1909: You guys need to drink more, or less... you just let Turkey win, all while making killing the last Scottish army somehow a priority, killing my last army is important while stopping a Turkish solo isn't? guess how many points you get when turkey solos? The points that I will get... zero...
18 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Good Game everyone and remember OJ was innocent
18 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1909: He was guilty
18 Jun 17 UTC This game is on Russia. So many fleets. Rapid expansion for Turkey….
18 Jun 17 UTC Russia was gone for a few turns and I had to pick up the pieces
18 Jun 17 UTC Everyone is to blame
18 Jun 17 UTC Mostly on Russia both Russias
18 Jun 17 UTC I blame myself inasmuch as I had neighbors who didn't care about the objective, and then finally when I had them handled I got downsized by Russia and ended up being one fleet short of a Mediterranean plug
18 Jun 17 UTC @Austria The glove didn't fit he musta quit

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