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Finished: 04 AM Tue 13 Dec 16 UTC
Random Ass Name
1 day /phase
Pot: 150 D - Autumn, 2002, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: Just eat up France and draw without them~
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: You know you want to~
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: As per our agreement, all other issues where not regulated so me taking Berlin was not a violation. Secondly, what a bunch of hypocrites
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: It's still pretty obvious, and we're hypocrites, how? Either way, terrible way at negotiating for me to draw and rude as usual, so unless things go well for you and I somehow get pushed back really far, I don't see a need to draw with you.
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: Once England dies, we are all drawing, so none of this matters, yes?
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: You think that if you get pushed back you get a draw? That is not really how it works
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: And I'm not gonna be nice to you just to ask for a draw - you are by far the most annoying player I have encountered in the recent months and I'm not going to pretend otherwise just for a quick end to this game.

I would however like to point out that with each of you I made a plan at one point to draw, and each of you attacked me accusing me of going for a solo. Yet now that a draw is possible you are no longer interested? I mean, suit yourself, I am very interested in how this will play out but it is just a little bit hypocritical : D
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: 1) same goes here, so at least we can agree on that, both the most annoying players we've ever played with according to each of us

2) yes, that's how it works, because I have no reason to accept a draw when it's 3 against 1, and we'd get more points dividing up your huge empire between us or at the very least, another player gets taken down

3) ofc I said I'd draw, so I could hopefully catch you off guard, which admittedly didn't exactly work, but it was worth a try and no skin off of my nose

4) tell someone who cares ;)
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: Goodbye cruel world
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: Actually, you were the first to stab someone in the back, France, i.e. me. You agreed to cooperate and then crippled me because Ukraine did the exact same thing at the exact same time. Which of course you have every right to do in this game, but don't claim to have been treated unfairly.
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: Oh I'm not complaining here. Just pointing out. Everyone was soooooo eager to make a draw. Of course now I don't stand much chance, so I'm not surprised they got a little more greedy, but hey - at least the game will finally get interesting.
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: ... Still eager to make a draw here...
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: I wasn't that eager to make a draw, at least not until I carved up your empire. While you may stand little chance France, if it means anything you've done pretty well atm and have made some great moves, and this is coming from a player you hate the most
08 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: Wow, France, relying on Poland after we both let them live as a satellite? I declare Poland politically neutral between you and I
08 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: I can practically smell how desperate you are to rely so many times on a 1 non-home sc nation...
08 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: First of all, home/non-home has absolutely no meaning in Modern, secondly, why wouldn't I use his help? Ber was likely to fall anyway, I might just as well have asked him to support hold.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: 1) I know it doesn't mean anything, but in terms of morale it certainly does e.g let's just say Poland would naturally be feeling a little homesick by now

2) you did more than just get a support hold from them, you got supported into Heligoland and they helped you into Berlin against me, which is definetly NOT politically neutral.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: But why would they be neutral? : D You are their sworn enemy and I can try to help him stay alive, and while fighting 3 opponents at once I need every help I can get - how is this not perfectly logical to you? : D
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: I renegotiated with them, so I assumed they were neutral on both sides, seeming that they can't really afford to make enemies in the first place. Guess I was wrong
12 Dec 16 UTC This game is hardly moving anymore, Imo it seems like a stalemate between me and France, Ukraine is simply support holding now largely and doing weird stuff in the East and the few scs I take off of France are replaced by their equally slow conquest in the Egyptian Empire.

The draw is fine, good game all. I think I've proven that I'm not the noob you thought I was though, France
12 Dec 16 UTC especially well done to Poland, best survivor that I've ever known, no wonder why I was proved wrong when I said you'd apparently be defeated
12 Dec 16 UTC I am honestly surprised it didn't end in my defeat ._.
12 Dec 16 UTC As in, there was no way for me to hold on forever. I probably wouldn't have drawn if I were you guys, at least one more turn to see if I'd be able to break Fra Mun line
12 Dec 16 UTC gg folks, to my surprise Ukraine turned out to be a good ally. :)
12 Dec 16 UTC there wasn't, Austria was clearly locked down, it was 2v2 between you and me in Germany, which might've budged if Poland was taken out in Hamburg (which would've also opened up more troops against me.) It was potentially 4v4 in North Sea and I'd most likely lost Liverpool next turn, but would also only be able to hold the lines in NAO, Ireland and Scotland
12 Dec 16 UTC also, as I said before. Every tiny piece I won from you, you almost got back equally from Egypt who was steadily becoming the weakest out of the major powers (no offence Egypt) I probably could've tied with 4 instead, but cbf taking about two weeks just to get slightly more coins than what we have now.
12 Dec 16 UTC I thought Ukraine was always a good ally, Egypt? :P you guys seemed to be on good terms for at least the last 6 turns or so
12 Dec 16 UTC Im still salty
12 Dec 16 UTC My border with Egypt just became stalemated - nothing to be done there. In the north I would get Liverpool and possibly Ireland afterwards, but nothing more. In Germany however I had a huge disadvantage - every turn I risked loosing Ham, Fra, Mun or Ven. The only thing that saved me was Ukraine not attacking, but even so you could have pushed forward - e.g. why double support Denmark?
12 Dec 16 UTC Either way, thanks for the game guys and see you around
12 Dec 16 UTC Hahahahahahahahahaha

This was fun.
13 Dec 16 UTC I just explained how I could not go through Germany, the only way I could've done so is if I got Hamburg, which I wasn't going to do because we both agreed on Hamburg's neutrality. Also if you took Ireland and possibly Edinburgh as well, you'd be back to the same size you were before and I'd have even less power to push through Germany
13 Dec 16 UTC You took over Tunisia and the Western med from Egypt fairly quickly and they only have 9scs, that area was the least stalemated area in the game
13 Dec 16 UTC Although we can both agree that Ukraine not attacking anymore made a big difference, they were pulling off weird moves in the East as well. In fact Ukraine, why did you stop pushing into France? You were quite unresponsive in your messages as well for a while
13 Dec 16 UTC You are a weird guy. I have no idea where we agreed on neutrality of whatever part of Europe ._. Even so, it was just a matter of patience, taking Hel etc
13 Dec 16 UTC I think you're weirder, and we agreed for Poland to be in the draw. Also, Poland in Hamburg did serve as a good defensive satellite as he did you. Apart from that one time he helped you take back Berlin, but I turned him around.
13 Dec 16 UTC So just to make clear - we agree to draw, YOU don't want to, but you just assume for Poland to be neutral? : D Oh my dear mate...

After the game ends I really prefer to part in amicable terms with everyone but this is just bloody impossible with you - I mean you must be trolling, right? Otherwise, and I'm sorry for being honest, but you are just as bad of a player as I thought earlier...

I am honestly torn - on one hand I really never wanna go through the torment of having to "negotiate" with you again, but on the other - man, it would be good to see this game through. Maybe you really are just too inexperienced to see the opportunities you had and I might have beaten you, who knows...

Damn, why am I wasting time on after game chat anyway? I alomst missed another order : D All in all, live your live, play your games, but man, try to be at least a little bit more reasonable, and maybe don't assume random stuff all the time or at least verify you assumptions with the involved parties - it'll help you.
13 Dec 16 UTC 1) you said I was a noob for my movements, I end up swamping you, with a stalemate later on (see liverpool, Ireland, NAO, North Sea, retaking of Berlin, the fact that you could only move in the West Atlantic area)

2) Poland was neutral except for that ONE TIME they gave you back Poland, and then I negotiated with them, if you could bloody see that Poland didn't even move for the last few turns

3) It was my master plan to get you to attack Germany, and have Ukraine and Egypt with me on my side, you tried to break the alliance, utterly failed. Also, I persuaded YOU successfully to attack Germany WHEN I WANTED IT, I pulled your strings

4) you think I give a shit if you have all those coins, probably just by betting on higher scoring games? Do people play with coins in real life? No, so no one gives a fuck about your coins, you're not automatically a better player.
13 Dec 16 UTC You wanted to end this game well? Then don't fucking come in with another one of your pointless snide remarks that have NO evidence for reality. I was hardly a 'noob' in this game, the only real setback was when I temporarily kept losing Sweden to Poland (twice) and losing Berlin once temporarily as well.

Also, you've been non stop with 'do you suck or are you trolling?' Perhaps you're the one trolling BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON GOING ON.

So fuck off, or I can just mute you. Here's to the 2nd most powerful player who coordinated a 3 way alliance, set you up in the exact place I wanted (except for England) and took you down by 5 scs, you took ONE of mine within that time (Berlin) for a short period of time. Hardly a noob move BITCH
13 Dec 16 UTC Also, I was reasonable. Rich coming from you, when all you could do was make snidy remarks. I told you why I drew, because I cbf playing through a long game, and I still get a lot of coins. So piss off cunt
13 Dec 16 UTC Genius move, Yassem!...You created a "Dummy Variable - Don't Join" game to park 2283 points! Now, you look like a noob! Check it out (at least while it's still up):
13 Dec 16 UTC Ok, so we've clearly hit some very sensitive subject here.

First of all how about you calm down a little bit, you know, breath in, breathe out, that kind of stuff.

Secondly, at no point either on public or on private chat have I called you a noob. I believe the term is extremely pejorativ, quite unfair and frankly even you don't deserve to be called that. I merely called you inexperienced - which well, you are in my opinion,

On one hand you say you point that you got a lot of "coins", yet claim they mean nothing? I agree to the latter - they don't mean anything. On the other hand though I can see your account, and I can see that you aren't that experienced, you know. And there's nothing to worry about, you will get better mate, it might just take some time (especially with that attitude, thinking you're the best there is).

On one hand you claim there was nothing you could do more, hence the draw, on the other make claims like you just single-handedly dismantled all my defences. Yes, you made good moves, especially in case of Berlin but you must realise it's not such a huge achievement. I was quite outnumbered. Furthermore, getting players to unite against a solo-threat isn't such a big achievement either to be honest - it's only natural especially now since there's no more "per supply center" scoring. It's mainly my fault to making it way too obvious way too soon, but what could have been done.

And finally, and this honestly made me laugh out loud just a little bit (like actually vocalise the laugh) - you think that I attacked Germany because of you? You had exactly zero influence on that decision. The very sad truth is that in that case I just went after pure opportunism - he didn't put his orders in, I took a shot. If he went into CD it was better me than Ukraine.

To sum up, have I done a good job in this game? I'd like to think so. Was it exceptional? No. Have you done a good job? In most cases yes. But it's just the little things that show how inexperienced you are - the assumptions you make, how you read other players' moves etc.

Now please, do mute me and don't write anything because I would love to spend time on other stuff but for some reason I just cannot help myself.

@Egypy - I actually do that a lot. I prefer anon games, but where there are none around I join regular ones from time to time. I joined 3 today actually. I hide my points, usually for the first round. A really interested player can just see how much points I have anyway, but I have experienced that a high number of points may sometimes lead to a coalition forming, even in the first turn - "let's kill the experienced one first so he's no longer a threat". Is it in good taste? Probably not. Is it fair? I think so. Is it legal? I hope so.
13 Dec 16 UTC did you hear what I said before? I don't fucking care what you have to say... But I TL;DR'd at most

1) I'm not inexperienced, I've played many games live, I actually stopped playing on here for a year after a while

2) I didn't have 0 influence in your decision, you made no try to get at Germany until i gave you a good reason to do so then you said "you have a very good point"

3) Egypt, his move to make a dummy game fell back in on itself, because this was an anonymous game, so we couldn't see our points and therefore its a meaningless move
13 Dec 16 UTC If you try to make some lame essay again about how much of a 'better' player you are to me, then I will block you. I've played many players who are stuck up, arrogant and are experienced as you AND DEFEATED THEM. So seriously, eat shit. I don;t have to calm down, because I don't want to ;)
13 Dec 16 UTC I just figured out why I keep responding, you are just so entertaining! I mean, each message it's some new thing! You're like the Cirque du Soleil of making crazy claims mixed with some profanities from time to time : D

Dude, I don't care about your live games. You can claim your the arch-champion of the Diplomacy Association for all I care, what I see is that your stats suck. I hoped you're inexperienced because then you actually still had chance to get better... And mate, the concept with hiding points I described is not that complicated, and yet you obviously fail to grasp it... Does that happen often to you? People acting all arogant to you, pointing out your short-comings? Is that why you are so frustrated?
13 Dec 16 UTC I mean, you clearly cannot digest any arguments thrown at you, so if you prefer you can just scream (I'd like to imagine you're screaming all that stuff, that'd be way more hilarious) some more : )
14 Dec 16 UTC And all you can do is whine about false things THT HAVE NO PROOF. You are an arrogant cunt of a troll, and probably some stupid Arab by the sound of it.

Also, no one else on this game cares about your pathetic arguments, and neither do I after muting you. So how about take your fake ass coins, shove them right up your ass and continue heckling strangers on your muns computer in her basement. Have fun bitching about nothing now, seeming I'm going to block out right now.

Have fun you stupid cunt. Don't blow yourself up too much in a suicide bombing, especially when you get so heated up at this bloody game.
14 Dec 16 UTC Good riddance to that cunt. Done, dusted and muted
14 Dec 16 UTC I mean, you guys must agree that was fun, right? To get someone so angry that he calls you a terrorist? The game was a draw, but I consider that a win : D
14 Dec 16 UTC Shut up faggots

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yassem (2533 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
22 supply-centers, 22 units
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
twinsnation (638 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Hauta (1618 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
KingCyrus (516 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 30 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
TonyBilogne (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
chairman meow (280 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Saria (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Frank9 (578 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
Mme. Peignoir (100 D)Spain (Autumn, 1996) with 1 centres.
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