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Finished: 11 PM Sun 30 Oct 16 UTC
EDM & Fashion (Diplo & Macy's)
20 hours /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1901: Good game everyone!
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: Hey, I am really sorry about missing last phase. I missed it because a health problem. I am in the game now.
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: How does everyone feel about this ? I tried putting up a pause vote but there was only a few minutes left in builds, so other players did not have time to join the game.
Cancel and set up a new game ?
Draw ?
Continue ?
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: I wish you a good recovery France!
I would say continue. No damage happened, and I am loosing other games at the Moment because of far more crictical NMRs, where nobody bothers to cancel.
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: Continue is not a problem for me. Of course Germany can attack and give me destroy me but missing phase is my mistake.
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: If France is willing to continue then so am I.
23 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 1902: I submit to the majority of expressed opinions.. Play on
26 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 1902: Don't y'all just love it when a player in Austria's position makes us all wait the maximum time with a disband.
Get over it you big sooky la la
01 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1905: Sorry for the delay folks, forgot to check last night.
11 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: I'll put this one open on the table: with Italy, Germany and Russia all (techically) gone, it is time to draw. England, France, you could of course further try to pressure me, but I can go into the turkish turtle-formation, so there is no way to breach my stalemate and eliminate me. Should you try to further decimate me, I will flip a coin on who I will help to solo this game.
11 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well Germany is defeated, but Italy and Russia are still in the game
11 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Looks much like it, never ever thought to see both western powers support a 1-center guy to 3 SCs. That's almost softplay.
11 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkey happens?
So many lies, so much betrayal not only takes you to win a game.
You're upset?
This is a game of cheating and lies, but tamibén must know how to be loyal and that you never learned.
I know this game will disappear, but will be happy to help France and England to fight against you.
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: I played badly in Autumn 07 and spring this year, but went better in the last my opinion Russia played best in the last move..he put one proposal to me..attacking Moscow, and kept silent on his arrangements in Austria. I agreed to help him capture Moscow.
I mentioned it to France, and wasn't told about what France was doing in Austria which is OK, we don't usually discuss such details.
So Russia captured two sc's by getting help..well I think he played best of all of us that move.....and although I've captured a number of his sc's he's seen me stay loyal to my alliance with France
He could have ended with only one sc after that move..he's got three...but he knows he'll probably lose one, possibly more
He's keeping his country in the game and has probably a better chance of being included in a draw with France and myself than you do...since it's "some cards on the table time" I'm over your continual attempts to sow disunity in my alliance with France. I understand the strategy, it's what any player in your position does...but my advice is that it's not working. If anything it persuades me to stay with an alliance with the player with France since he has proven himself trustworthy for fourteen moves
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: My English friend summarized the situation very well.
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: We will crush this turtle... :)
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: As you guys wish. I am pretty sure my stalemate will hold, and then we will see who stabs the other first for his chance to solo.
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: And Russia, this game is about lies. I am sure I am a nice person outside of this game, so I would ask you to refrain from getting personal here. Nobody with a positive win/loss ratio gets that from being 100% honest inside of this game. You are of course free to fight me, wouldn't do it differently if I were you. But you beeing included in a draw? With one SC, maybe. But I don't see england not going into Moscow only to be nice.
12 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1908: Obviously everyone lies in this game, but there is a moment where there is to be true to an ally to achieve goals.
Your strategy was always talk a lot and evil and arrogance.
Remember when you told me traicionabas me because you can only win?
Offboard you must be an excellent person, but I do not like the way you play.
So, although I'll disappear when France and England want, I will cooperate with them against you.
England has also betrayed me, but it was within the logic of this game.
13 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sheesh, this got awfully contentious.
19 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1911: Hey Turkey, my friend. Save and not set ready is an unethical behaviour. I experienced that when you do this, you know you are loosing the game.
19 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1911: You will lose anyway, make it quick and painless. Like band aid. :)
19 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: I am not your friend, France. You should take a look at the rulebook. Since I have some other things in my kalendar, it's fine to not ready up immideatly if you don't know, if you would otherwise miss the next deadline.
Second, I am quite sure I won't win this game. But in your case I wouldn't cheer to loudly here. 18 is the line to gain, and even if you manage to divide me evenly with England, giving you 17 and him 16, and Russia one if you really want to keep him in the game, he is in the position to easily snatch Belgium, Brest Paris and Munich. Resulting in England soloing.
19 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: Calling out someone for not readying their orders is like asking them to hasten their demise. I would hardly call that unethical. That just sounds like poor sportsmanship on your part France.
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: I had restrained myself from making any comments on the player with Turkey's recent behavior with delaying moves..the disband of his army Bohemia was a good example
This delaying tactic is, in my opinion, not unethical, it's also allowed by the rules. I do think it's petulant, poor behaviour. I think the player with France has the freedom in a full press game to express his opinion, call the other player out if he wants to.
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: As to the prediction that I will solo...We'll see what happens, I'm more interested in helping Russia recapture Sevastapol then go on to capture a Turkish home sc
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: And of course at the end of the game the "lights come on" and players are revealed.. That will be fun
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: Of course the player with Turkey may have good reasons for wanting to delay, but it's worth noting these delays started occurring as Turkey's position in the game has worsened & his defeat become more probable
20 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: Dear England, please note the difference between correlation and causality. The correlation is true, the causality is that university has started this week again, thus limiting the time I have to play.
This will be my last post defending myself against these accusations. I think both of you are pretty hypocritical players, and pretty bad winners. You two will most probably have the last laugh in this one, due to your play bordering metagaming. As regarding to the players getting revealed: The way you guys behave in public press, I bet both of your game-records won't be too impressive.
21 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1911: I accept your explanation that your commitments at University now limit your opportunities to play this game. I note for your attention that the player with France made the first comments, you replied ( & included a comment about what I might do ) then the player with Germany expressed his opinion .....and then I joined..I did not initiate this " conversation "
...and I comment now " in response ", because of your " Metagaming " slur.
So my first comment on your "delay" was the fourth one in a full press game.. as you are interested in causality, note that the cause of the "delay conversation" does not reside with me...hint...some players get in early when their ability to play a game changes during the game & put up a global message in the game, eg " traveling for a week might have problems.... "

In my comments on your "delays" I said it was within the rules and, "not unethical" ( so I disagreed with any view that it was " unethical " ), but did say it could be regarded as " petulant & poor behavior ", and also said that you might have had good reasons ( which you had failed to mention earlier ).

Now that you have explained your University stuff I accept that.
I would note that it's a bit weak regarding the disband of army Bohemia, but that I don't regard the " delay" issue to be of monumental proportions.

For someone sensitive to accusations I suggest you consider the position, on the delays, I have made no accusation that you have behaved unethically or broken any rules, in fact stating the antithesis...and you casually throw an accusation of "possible Metagaming" at me in a global message in a game.

The rules of this site a clear, questions, allegations of cheating, possible cheating are to be made in one email to the Mods... So players who make allegations in games or forum posts ...join the dots

I'd ask the player with Turkey to consider his comments, and ask that he withdraw just the Metagaming part
23 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1912: I'll thank the player with Turkey for a quick retreat & build Autumn 12
24 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1913: Tell me how you want me to move my armies this shift?
26 Oct 16 UTC Autumn, 1914: France, it is time to win
26 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1915: Dear friends (Russia and England), my first aim in this game is to defeat Turkey. Therefore, I am not going to try to solo.

My moves will be; supporting Sevastopol to Armenia, supporting Rumania to Bulgaria, moving into Constantinople (so Turkey is have to disband the Bulgarian army in spring).

There is only one possibility; if Turkey will support hold Armenia with the fleet in Black Sea, our goal will be postponed just one year.
26 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1915: *facepalm*
26 Oct 16 UTC Spring, 1915: Uhahahaha (bad man laugh). Sorry Turkey, this is just a game.
29 Oct 16 UTC Bad luck Turkey, but well played for defending until you were defeated & not quitting& as much as you tried to seduce the player with France to solo we stuck to a plan of adding humiliation by keeping Russia in the game to see you defeated and helping Russia capture one of your home sc's
It's not meta gaming, this anonymous so I have no idea who any player is, it's simply a tactic within this game the player with France and I agreed upon so we share 170 odd points with a draw and with SoS scoring we can keep a third player in the draw at minimal points cost..... We can be generous in victory & it's got nothing to do with any other game(s).
29 Oct 16 UTC So c'mon Russia vote for the draw, you don't have much chance of a solo
29 Oct 16 UTC Well, I actually don't feel humiliated at all. You three decided to gang up against me, ignoring multiple opportunities to stab the other player as both England and France. That is not the way the game is designed to be played, and both of you choosing to eliminate me rather than winning, only means that there is nothing I could do from the start against that. Not going for the win when you have the opportunity is softplay, and softplay is always metagaming, you don't need to know the exact player Nicknames to fulfill all criteria.
And please don't call pointing out 100% winning movement-combinations "seducing". That is just silly.
29 Oct 16 UTC Scoreboard
29 Oct 16 UTC Thanks Alperen and MajorMitchell and congratulations for a good game.
30 Oct 16 UTC Scoreboard Tharuk, Scoreboard
And you comment from Autumn 1911 " regarding to the players getting revealed.....I'll bet both your game records won't be too impressive "
30 Oct 16 UTC Gee your record is so so so impressive Tharuk...ranked "pro" and in the top 18%....about 2,300 odd players from the top ...
.....but wait...I'm ranked top 4% ( and about 450 jumps about as I put points into play starting games ) with a ghost rating about 330. A Diplomat. what would I know about the Diplomacy caper, or what is, and what is NOT meta gaming compared to a real high flyer like yourself Tharuk ?
30 Oct 16 UTC Maluco Rasta....a political puppet had Russia ...I'm glad alperen and I helped him defeat you, and I like the way Maluco Rasta thinks about the game, his anytical abilities.
Well played fooltommery, you didn't get much of a chance..i figured you as a threat that had to be defeated quickly, and well played Huin and commiserations to webllec ..Austria is the hardest country to play and you had Tharuk with Turkey to "help" you as an added handicap
30 Oct 16 UTC Finally, a very big thank you to alperen with France. Well played and it looks like those 100 odd points you scored will be most helpful to your cause
30 Oct 16 UTC Job well done, thanks for the game everyone!

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alperen (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 103 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
MajorMitchell (1163 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 70 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Maluco Rasta (154 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 4 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Huín (403 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
fooltommery (235 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
webllec (132 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Tharuk (904 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Civil Disorders
_GatMV_ (261 D)Italy (Autumn, 1905) with 4 centres.
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