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Finished: 06 PM Tue 04 Oct 16 UTC
Real Debate for all 2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 600 D - Autumn, 2004, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
24 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2002: If France is to be eliminated you can pretty much guarantee a Turkish solo.
24 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2002: Especially because Turkey is at 27 counting your sc., Ukraine.
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Britain I move my armies towards the front. Alger attacks Tunis.
Next move we can convoy Bar to Tus?
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Britaim you need to also get a fleet into SAO and convoy an army across to Morocco and onto Western Sahara. That gives a lot of extra leverage.
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: (sorry about the typo)
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Yup, sounds good France. I assume your moving Auv-Pie now. Also make sure to move to lyon. I'll move to als.
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: France/England can you guys coordinate for one of you to get into Saxony?
24 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Frankfurt would be better suited.
25 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: I'm on top of it.

Germany - I realize you're not the same player as your predecessor (who happened to miss a bunch of turns, even before he CD'd). So while you're here, mind being useful and tapping Aus for us?
25 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: I tend to agree.
25 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Germany, can you support Frankfurt to Saxony to help against Turkey?
25 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2003: Germany, would you be so kindly not to interfere.

Ukraine, I'll keep you alive but than you need to push back into Poland, or at least keep him busy. My army in Volga needs to go to Moscow or Gorky..
26 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: France - No need to confirm this message, but do me a favor and tap Tyr Sea. That'll help me take Tunisia. Thx.
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: Can't believe I screwed that up. Too many games on at the moment...
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: that German apparition wasn't a big help :-)
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: what do you say Britain, I build a fleet in Monaco to support hold Lig and free the one in the gulf of Lyon. No much chance of movement anyway... Or I build A Lyon to move our armies towards Poland to hold the line in WAR?
we can use 1 of your Spanish armies to be convoyed to Mor, while the other can be convoyed back to Nwy : the baltic coast is a Gruyère.
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: Go ahead and build a fleet in Monaco. Since I have that unit in Alsace, Switz is already safe. I'll swing over to help hold the Polish line.
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: Then you can go for Tyr Sea, while I go for Tun.
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: Ukraine, don't you see you have nothing to win - except offer a solo to Turkey?
27 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: you could Draw instead of "survive"...
28 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: It's not a WTA.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Jesus. Ukraine how are you alive? xD
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Oh please. If I turned on Turkey, I'd have zero chance at survival. Poland is gnawing at the bit to take me out. This idea that you have to take out the big guy in every game is just stupid.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Well stalemate is the closest to victory you can get when you are a small guy ;)
BTW you are hitting Poland.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Just so you know Ukraine - every game is a WTA now. They changed that a while back. If Turkey wins, he gets the entire pot and the rest of us get nothing. No one ever gets any points for just "surviving" anymore. The only way to get anything out of this game is to force him to draw.

Poland - we need to get an army into St.Pete. That fleet is useless. So we're going to trade SCs. I'll move my army into St.Pete via Finland. Move to GoB right now and then take Sweden in the fall.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: England - copy that.

Ukraine - I don't mind at all at you surviving within your existing borders. You just got to stop Turkey having a free ride to the WTA solo. Yes he could turn on you, and you may lose an SC or two. But every player against Turkey will cause his military machine to grind to a halt and then we can draw. As a show of solidarity I am happy to cease efforts against you.

Germany - can you support Slovakia to Krakow this turn. Just in case Ukraine doesn't see his chances are overwhelmingly in his favor with the switch.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Apologies, England and the rest. I had thought SoS was a PPSC system. And I take it that Krakow is going to Bielo. Not sure I'll survive at all.
28 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Ukraine - as I've said I would much rather have peace with you so we can bring Turkey to heel. Switch sides and I will cease all operations and respect present borders.
29 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: If you're waiting for germany to respond, it's pointless - he CD'd a while ago.
29 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: Bloody hell, useless Germany.
29 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2004: England do you want to convoy Lapland to Urals? I've set orders to support you for this.
29 Sep 16 UTC Sorry, I didn't get that msg before I went to bed. No problem though. The only real problem is that Ukraine is STILL determined to help Turkey solo, you'll just have to pick off a few SCs from him before they all become yellow. I'll use my fleets to support you to Urals this turn. Tkae Sweden, and for now, I'll stay out of St.Pete. It's more important that you get a build. Also let me know how you want to protect Lithuania.

France - I need you to use Munich to to tap Austria; and also use either of your fleets (no need to tell me which one) to tap Tyr sea. Both of those moves are essential. Thanks.
29 Sep 16 UTC Roger
30 Sep 16 UTC I can't fathom Ukraine sticking Turkey when Big Yellow is tearing him a new you-know-what.

Ukraine! Slap yourself awake!

Britain - thanks for your offer, accepted re: Urals and Sweden. Based on the prospect of an Turkish solo and Ukraine not realising that he's being played if its at all possible a bounce between Baltic Sea and Latvia in Lithuania makes most sense. Can I also suggest you take Czech (that will make up for the loss of Sweden) - if you need support please let me know the attacking unit.
30 Sep 16 UTC (BTW Britain if you don't help help with taking Czech let me know as that frees up my units to do other stuff against the bad guy/s)
30 Sep 16 UTC Ukraine, can you support move Volga to Moscow from CRP and hit Lat from Bielo? I'll support move Kiev to Bielorussia. I won't move in Kha.
30 Sep 16 UTC Ukraine, please, obey daddy!
30 Sep 16 UTC Sounds good Poland. And I've got Czech covered, thx.
01 Oct 16 UTC Ukraine - you are going to be six feet under soon my friend unless you switch.
01 Oct 16 UTC Britain - nice flanking move in the south. Turkey is exposed the greatest down there so you and France working together in the Med and Africa should (cross fingers) hopefully stall the Turkish solo.
01 Oct 16 UTC Thx Poland. And it's good to see you finally on board Ukraine. Much appreciated. Now that our defensive line is a bit stronger, we can go on the offensive a little and force the issue with Turkey. Now it's up to him to guess right on which SCs to hold, since he can't support-hold them all against our combined effort. Keep thinking creatively about which territories to go for. We're doing well.
01 Oct 16 UTC I like your thinking Britain and thanks for offering builds to Poland.
Ukraine, welcome in the resistance, you can press the Draw button :-)
02 Oct 16 UTC Good game all. It was fun.
02 Oct 16 UTC GG and Fun - but a frustrating beginning with Germany and Spain going NMR every second season :-)
Thanks Britain for being able to set aside our conflict and stalemate in the Turkey in the Med.
02 Oct 16 UTC GG everyone.

BTW, this was my first game back at WebDip for long while.

Is there a post somewhere that describes how all the scoring systems work here now?
02 Oct 16 UTC under scoring system in the Help menu:
http://webdiplomacy.net/points.php
02 Oct 16 UTC Not so hot being Italy caught between a French attack and a Turkish juggernaut, but certainly an interesting game to see play out, from the sidelines. GG, everyone.
02 Oct 16 UTC That united front was pretty amazing to watch
03 Oct 16 UTC Your welcome France. Good job folks. Well played Turkey
03 Oct 16 UTC Thanks 0k0k0 for that link, hadn't seen it before!

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Turkey
sw3dg!n (319 D)
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 337 D
25 supply-centers, 23 units
Britain
dagabs0 (22766 D)
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 175 D
18 supply-centers, 18 units
Poland
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 54 D
10 supply-centers, 8 units
France
0k0k0 (3787 D)
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 27 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Ukraine
Jefe (85 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 9 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
Egypt
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Germany
jmdingess (318 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Italy
Greg McNeish (536 D)
Defeated. Bet: 60 D
Russia
Vittorio (106 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Spain
Frize (73 D)
Defeated. Bet: 60 D
Civil Disorders
squaretriangle (100 D)Egypt (Autumn, 1999) with 1 centres.
jmdingess (318 D)Germany (Autumn, 2003) with 1 centres.
Vittorio (106 D)Russia (Autumn, 1996) with 0 centres.
Burning glaciers (102 D)Germany (Autumn, 2001) with 3 centres.
heyitsme_urbrother (106 D)Russia (Spring, 1995) with 6 centres.
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