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Finished: 05 PM Sat 24 Dec 16 UTC
Anonymous Classic 7days
7 days /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
12 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: "i think i'm in a position to ask for more"

You think so? I disagree. If you want peace than you must accept that is all you are getting. If not, feel free to wage war against one or more of your allies. And remember, the last time someone invaded Poland it did not end well for them.
14 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'd like to take germany's offer for warsaw later in the game if that's still on the table. @england you're right that I'm not in a position to attack everyone of my allies and that's not what I want to do. There's 4 SCs left from france and I'm simply asking for 1 of those for myself. Is that too much to ask?
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Moving into Pru and Boh was completely uncalled for and not required for taking Warsaw. (Actually, it makes it harder for you to take Warsaw, as I can cut support where I couldn't before.)
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Actually that was a mistake. To be honest that was when i had it at attacking warsaw. Then i decided not to attack but forgot the supporting move i made. I will move it back if that would make you feel better.
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Up to you. I was serious about giving you Warsaw, but it would have retreated to Prussia. Putting it in Livonia doesn't do anyone any good.
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: German, what's with moving to North Sea?
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Like I said Germany, It was a mistake on my part. I will move out of pru and boh
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: *Germany
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Safest move. Den, Hol and Bel were all wide open to your fleet and this made me safe if you moved to one of them. (i.e. North Sea + a new build could evict you if you tried anything.)
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Not really the safest move. At the moment our biggest threat is Austria and Italy. Italy is now in a great position to attack you in the south.
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: There's no "now" about it. Italy has always been in a great position to attack me in the south. But if he does, I assume Austria would take Turkey off him. Solo would be averted.
They keep each other in balance but neither of them can do anything to you, England.
17 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: There is a "now". Italy didn't used to have an army in Marseilles and a fleet in West Med. I am not the one you should fear. Italy and Austria value their alliance over the alliance they have with you.
18 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: I am still all for the draw if everyone is in agreement. If the agreement still stands that I will get SPA, POR and MAR, I need three units to do it (MAR, GOL and WES). Let me know if I misunderstood.
21 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: I don't intend to invade anyone after getting warsaw. I'm sorry if my mistakes with last turn alarmed you germany. that will be rectify this next turn
26 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Italy, why are you dragging this turn out for a week?
27 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Sorry, I had been travelling. Done.
27 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: I've built mostly fleets for defence. I'm ordering my unit out of Warsaw, but if you can hold off on taking it, that would be nice, Austria, as a new France has joined and we don't know what he'll do.
27 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: "I've built mostly fleets for defence"

So that you can defend against me, right? I'm the threat. Not the guys who have stated they are going to take Warsaw, Spain, and Portugal from you.
27 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Austria has nowhere to expand without attacking an ally. It's totally fair that he gets something while we eat up France.
Apart from that, my fleets can defend all of my SCs other than Mun against anyone.
28 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks germany for seeing my point of view. I will hold off on grabbing warsaw this turn to see how new france is going to act. I will also move out of Boh and prussia if you'd like
28 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks, that would be appreciated.
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: This can be all over this fall (i.e. I grab SPA/POR as agreed, Germany has enough units to pick up PAR and BRE, Austria takes WAR). Is that what we want to do?
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: That's what I'm hoping.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: If we do draw I wouldn't even get back the points I put into the game. Germany, since you are getting Brest and Paris, mind if I take Sweden and Denmark? (It doesn't matter to me much which SCs I get)
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yes, I do mind if you invade me at this stage. Here's my counter proposal:
I'll cut Norway's support. Austria, please take StP. Then we can take all of England and end the game with a 3-way draw.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: It's not invasion if I ask you. Plus, it would require you to vacate those Scs anyway.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: You've agreed to let Austria and Italy do it as well. I'd point out that I've been your ally the whole way through (although I realize you're not the same player).
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: You're also wasting tons of time and leaving your turn to the last day every week, which I consider to just be plain annoying. We could have had this whole game over weeks ago, but you are the main one stalling. I removed my read status because I'll be away next week, but I'd be happy for this whole game to be over tonight if you'd stop screwing around.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Meh, no one has mentioned this before so it clearly isn't a huge deal. Generally, if I notice everyone else has readied up I do as well. But that's rarely the case.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Tell you what. I'm going to move assuming you are giving me the two SCs. If you do I will throw up the draw and the game will end once the retreat phase is done.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I thought the game was about to be over. Instead you want to extort SCs from me for no reason and change the deal. If you attack me, I hope the others will annihilate you. I suggest Austria take St P and Norway, Italy takes Liv and I take Lon and Edi.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: When we discussed it way back it we were going to split France. But now, you get it all and it's unfair for me to ask for something?
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: As I said, it doesn't matter which SCs I get. However I would have been fine getting Brest and Paris. I suggested Sweden and Norway as replacements since I can get them immediately which would speed things up. And in terms of fairness I would still have the fewest SCs.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will hold germans territories.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will hold germans territories.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will hold germans territories.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will hold germans territories.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: :)
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Come off it. The French used to be in Wales and you were extremely lucky not to be wiped out already. The fact that you get to survive at all, let alone be part of a draw, is something you should be thankful for.
10 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: No, I'm not thankful to be part of draw in which I receive less than I put in. And in which you are willing to give Austria and Italy territories but not me.

When the French were in Wales I had units go to both London and Liverpool. I wasn't extremely lucky to not be wiped out anymore than you were. I was however unfortunate enough to have Russia focus on me. Remember that time he disbanded Sevastopol so that he could keep Norwegian Sea? This meant that it took a while to resolve the Northern issue for me. For a while, us four had comparable SCs. Austria and Italy were able to get to work quickly because Russia was focused on me. You lucked out in Sweden and than get Warsaw because Russia moved Moscow to St. Petersburg instead of defending. And then you got France's southern SCs because they didn't move.

As for as the current situation. Any three of us could eliminate the fourth person. And in that sense you and I or no different.
12 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: If we are still drawing, I assume it happens after retreats and builds.
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yes, just wait until France is dead.
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: England, points are pretty meaningless. There has been plenty of discussion about getting rid of them because of that.
15 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Oh, and, yes, any three of us could eliminate the fourth person. However, I would always side with eliminating someone who can't be trusted or who breaks deals or who invades me or who wastes time and in that case you and I are totally different. You would be my primary target to eliminate on every one of those metrics.
16 Dec 16 UTC You are such an imbecile but this feels like beating a dead horse so I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore. I'm throwing up the draw.
16 Dec 16 UTC Just confirming - everyone really still wants the draw? Austria? Germany (I see you took your draw vote away - do you want to continue)? If yes, I will put up the draw as well.
16 Dec 16 UTC This is such a weird game...
17 Dec 16 UTC Draw is fine.
17 Dec 16 UTC OK, since we are finished now. Austria - why would you not want to continue in your position? Your position was easily defensible and Germany's units were spread too thin. I was across the stalemate lines in the west so they couldn't have stopped us pretty much from wiping the board.
17 Dec 16 UTC Austria has one fleet and no way to make more. If he attacked, you move a fleet to the Black Sea and keep six of his SCs under threat. Doesn't give him much to work with. Plus, England only has 3 fleets and has them aimed at me. I think an Italian solo would have been a likely result if Austria had gone for it -- WMed and Por head around for England.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Italy
flash2015 (1447 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 24 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
binny (638 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 24 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
Kremmen (3817 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 15 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
Merirosvo (302 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 9 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
hajra_vac (373 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
memoss (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
samspaceplace (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Greg McNeish (536 D)Germany (Spring, 1905) with 9 centres.
wasoxygen (100 D)France (Autumn, 1905) with 2 centres.
Fraszer (100 D)France (Autumn, 1902) with 5 centres.
Jadeperle (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1902) with 5 centres.
boombox2000 (100 D)France (Spring, 1903) with 5 centres.
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