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Finished: 03 AM Fri 08 Apr 16 UTC
Blitzkrieg Chillout
1 day /phase
Pot: 210 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Monsieurnapoleon (320 D)
16 Mar 16 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck all!
29 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1905: Thanks for the game. Good luck.
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: give munich to france and this game is over
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Awwwww.... that army has a lot to offer.... and if you mean you're happy to draw it's sum-of-squares, so me and England still being alive doesn't impact your score or standing :-)
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Indeed, if France gets Munich, Turkey will get a LOWER score!
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Thanks for playing Austria!
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'll second that. I tried to save you Austria, but it gradually became untenable.
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: in hindsight I should have let Vienna live. buffer states can be very useful...
31 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: woops.. playing too many games at once.. didnt even realize it is SoS.. would have played it out differently if i remembered.
01 Apr 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: so all the capitalist bourgoise are ganging up on the Socialist Republic!
01 Apr 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Vive la revolucion!
01 Apr 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: workers of the world unite! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!
01 Apr 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Good game guys, good luck :-)
01 Apr 16 UTC Autumn, 1906: Tnx germany.
06 Apr 16 UTC Spring, 1908: Woops...i blew my convoy...some pityfull army from liv was lost near gibraltar...
06 Apr 16 UTC This is your lucky day France. Feel free to take Sweden, Warsaw, StP and Moscow I won't resist you
06 Apr 16 UTC This is probably the most petty behaviour I've ever seen in a diplomacy game.
06 Apr 16 UTC GG all.
russia: what you did was without any proportion to anything.
youve decided to lose 70 points and a draw just because italy to vienna.
you were not in a position to be eliminated. you were not in a position to lose.
you just decided to throw away the game out of spite over 1 SC.
sure, italy lost. but so did you.
06 Apr 16 UTC saying that without anger or anything.
threatening to throw the game (and actually doing it sometimes) is a completely valid strategy.
a lot of times it could be used to prevent elimination at the end of a game.
but you did not do it to prevent your own elimination, you did it to annoy another player.
i suggest you think of your own interests in the future and not throw games in order to spite others.
this is diplomacy, you will always have an enemy.
but if you throw EVERY game just because someone took 1 SC from you, then you wont win or draw much
06 Apr 16 UTC I second everything Turkey said.
06 Apr 16 UTC To be honest, it seemed like such an absurd threat, I thought he was just bluffing. I didn't think anyone be stupid or petty enough to throw a game over one SC they can barely defend.

Especially considering myself and Turkey having a hostile history, and Turkey having almost nowhere to expand but to attack me! He could have negotiated his way to a win, or even a draw.
06 Apr 16 UTC also: well deserved win, france.
06 Apr 16 UTC Please spare me the lectures. I've played this game enough times to know how it goes. Italy thought I was bluffing, and he was wrong. That's part of the game. Next time he'll be less greedy
06 Apr 16 UTC It's not a matter of greed. I had to do it to stop you soloing.
06 Apr 16 UTC Oh please. By the time I asked you to leave Vienna alone I was under attack by all three of you and in no position to solo. It just shows you didn't read the situation very well.
06 Apr 16 UTC just want to state im not attacking anybody and not blaming anybody for anything.
i just honestly think youve made a mistake.
you COULD have been in a draw.
i dont think you doubt that fact yourself.
that means your decision, by definition, was based on something other than logic and sportsmanship.
thats all i am saying
06 Apr 16 UTC what? I was under attack by all three of you (in the game, not here). That means I would have either been eliminated or have survived with 2-3 centers, which is the same as losing in SoS scoring. So no, "sportsmanship" has nothing to do with it. Especially since I warned Italy several times that if he attacks Vienna I'll be totally defenceless and have no reason to continue. He went ahead and attacked Vienna anyways. That was a greedy, and stupid, move, knowing I fully had the power to throw the game.

You insisting I was not acting logically or in an unsportsmanlike manner is impolite and frankly a bit rich, since looking at our mutual scores I can obviously play just as well as you, if not better.
In any case this conversation is getting tiring and pointless. Farewell, and thanks for all the fish.
06 Apr 16 UTC Losing vienna was not going to effect your ability to defend yourself, except from me and Turkey, which was entirely the point.

In terms of the ability to deal with France it was a net plus, because it mean my armies had a way to reach French territory.

Saying you're defensceless is absurd when if you hadn't started to surrender to France you'd be on 8 centers. I was on 4 centers the whole game, completely exposed the whole time, and was not defenseless.
06 Apr 16 UTC i was not attacking you, i was expressing my opinion.
you are a very sore loser.
06 Apr 16 UTC saying I'm unsportsmanlike and illogical is an attack. You should refrain from expressions like that. As you can see I have made no reference to you personally
06 Apr 16 UTC saying I'm a "sore loser" - the same.
You guys all lost as well and have done nothing but bitch about it, Grow up and move on to the next game. Bye
06 Apr 16 UTC I'm with Russia. You were well past the point at which you should have been working together against France.

If you'd built the trust instead of attacking him you could have pushed France back.
06 Apr 16 UTC germany: in all fairness you dont know when he threw the game.
it was well before it appeared on the board.
we were extremely surprised to hear from an 8 SC russia that he "will not stand to lose anything or he throws the game"
we were racing to the stalemate because he could been reasoned with
06 Apr 16 UTC in spring 07 he was already running back.
it made zero sense.
we werent left with any choice but to run forward
06 Apr 16 UTC The fact it started in Spring 07 was part of it. I couldn't depend on Russia upholding his side of the stalemate line.
07 Apr 16 UTC Tnx for the game mates. I enjoyed it. It was a strange end, but he: this is diplomacy. I agree with russia i was pleased to see him attacked by al three of us. I think something snaps when you have had 11 sc and see you are broken down. One gets desperate and takes desperate means. You should take this in consideration. But still it feels a bit awkward. But the whole of the game i enjoyed. Tnx to everybody!
07 Apr 16 UTC that is all i was saying as well.
it seams other considerations other than his own good took priority
07 Apr 16 UTC To be fair, he was kind of asking for it given that he attacked Turkey and then myself in quick succession. What were we going to do?
07 Apr 16 UTC True,
both in the same year, and about a year before he threw the game

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France
Won. Bet: 30 D, won: 210 D
18 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
DonQuigleone (258 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Turkey
spacecadet (329 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Russia
sangil (1043 D)
Survived. Bet: 30 D
1 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
woody (843 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Austria
AgentM (670 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
England
DColodro (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
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