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Finished: 09 AM Fri 04 Mar 16 UTC
I'm just gonna hurt you really, really bad.
1 day /phase
Pot: 420 D - Spring, 1911, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Italy has the south locked....no reason not to get the yield up a bit.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: AND......my "draw" vote was in. I voted and entered these orders. So someone else is the hold out.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: No one here will be allowed a solo by anyone at this point, despite the urgings of an eliminated power.

If one of the four of us were to turn on our ally, it will be his 6 or 8 or 9 units against the other three powers combined. The first one to turn would be eliminated, we can all see that.

Probably the missing draw is the NMR Italy, no harm done there. Austria has the means to eliminate Russia safely, but it doesn't really matter at this point. A draw is a draw and a few extra points at the end of the game doesn't really matter.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: You're absolutely right, that's probably why Russia is going to kingmake the F/E alliance across the stalemate line and make Austria regret this. The strategic move was to get both G and R betrayed at the same so the risk is balanced.

Shouldnt be about points, its a competitive spirit thing. Solo most certainly isn't off the table completely either. Give the game it's proper due.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Thought you said this was your first game in two years Germany. A 5WD is a pretty lackluster return to the limelight,.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: (you're making me look bad for my previous endorsement)
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: THE stalemate line makes all the difference between 1 and 1 or many. 2v2 is a little different as to what forces the 18 can actually bring to bear on the line. Putting French armies into Russia for the sake of breaking the line would require such an act of overwhelming faith on Germany's part that I judged less likely. Germany's 4 (or maybe 5) armies and I will stalemate just fine.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: I wouldn't go on faith France would stab Germany at this point or else he would Harv already struck the deal. I have a theory France is completely being carried by Germany and that he hasn't an ounce of confidence to try to play without him. The quality of play of France after he teamed up is pretty substantial. Thats a reasonable gamble for Germany.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Give it a rest England. Please.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: I'm sorry France, but like it or not and centerless or not i'm still involved in this game.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: And its going to draw at 4 or 5 nations.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Well yeah of course that's what i just described, you're out of your depths and happy to grab whatever. You personally have got the most control of the game direction at the moment so if you want a pansy ending it's going to be a pansy ending.

Congrats, i suppose?
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Respect to you Austria for at least trying.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Well I think this game becomes a little less awesome if Italy NMR's again. Allows me to break a stalemate that I otherwise could not break.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: If Italy is out I would go for it. Otherwise you face a solo of Austria...
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: No they don't.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: 8+9 > 8 by a very wide margin.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Regardless, if Italy CD's it unbalances this game.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Agreed, but should still be a 3-way in the end -- I wasn't' responding to the idea of keeping a dead Italy, but to the notion that any of us would be able to race to a solo if the other two were paying attention.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: The only 3-way I see then is F/G/A.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: Yep....I'm committed to Italy if he's here, but if not, then a 3-way makes the most sense.
28 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 1909: I think you would have been able to take Russia out either way, with or without Italy.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Whew...he's back!
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sorry gang. Major event this weekend.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Wow, France is now actually making a highly concious effort about sitting on his hands. Didn't even need to leave North Sea but needed to make a statement that there is no way in hell is ever going to be convinced to be competitive.

Well played, you are really nailing being a seat-filler waiting to get points off other peoples successes. The full extent of your ambition lies in rooting for CD's and waiting through eliminations on the other side of the board. This may be the least earned and laziest win i have ever seen.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Thanks England!
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: And he treats his mother very poorly.

(Disclaimer: I have no real evidence or justification for speculation on this last one, but likely true.)
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Why are you talking all this shit over a game?
Such a loser.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Not answering any more of your comments, say what you like.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Look how blue your island is.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Since you ask.

It's a "game" that a lot of people enjoy spending a decent commitment of their spare time playing so there's an expectation that those who join the game give it the slightest amount of consideration of seriousness to make that time commitment worthwhile. So i get a little judgey when players half-ass it. Probably more preachy about it then most i'll admit, but doesn't make your lack of actual effort any less disgraceful because you devalue what you participate in.

So continue draggin your feet and feel good knowing it bothers somebody that has criticized you, but if you're going to play future games put on your big boy pants and actually play the game rather then hanging around waiting for scraps to fall into your lap.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Says the guy with 0 centers, to my 9.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Says a guy who plays every game to its fullest every single time. Hell i'm still putting more effort in then you are.

We can measure dicks once the games over if you want to embarrass yourself, but skills not even the point it's that you're wasting everybodies time now holding the game hostage now because your the only person who can move the needle and can't be bothered to. You're too content with your "9 centers to my 0" being good enough. You're playing a completely different game, because "this" game is not about collecting a couple centers and patting yourself on the back. You're barely half way to the win and you were spotted 3 of those just by joining. Play the game.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Enjoy all the typing, Im not reading your messages. I play all my games my best, and just for fun.
I dont freak out over it like you.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: You said you were going to stop replying. You'll read it. ;)
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Nope.
Done talking to you.
Please go away.
-Someone who doesnt care what you think/have to say.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: And you just read another message from me.

You really can't stick to anything you commit to, can you?
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: I agree with your general philosophy England, but you carry it a bit high. He's stalemated in the south and the only way forward is through his long time ally. Some folks do value loyalty enough to draw in that situation.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: France has no possible move right now, I'd be playing the same way in his position. A French stab on Germany right now would end in French elimination, and he knows that.

England, you praised my play in this game earlier, and I go for the solo when I can. But a solo isn't possible here for any power. You're complaining about nothing.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: If I'd truly beleived this was a loyalty thing I'd concede that point, but I simply don't. As a participant in the western triangle for the first half of the game i'm gained a familiarity with the personalities out here. Perhaps France is indeed grateful for the carry as well and has a hint of loyalty that's grown from there, but it's not the driving force here.

He would have voiced that as a defence by now if it was rather then just citing being "fine" with a 5WD. He also would have been more understanding of not trimming the fat on the other side of the board. No, this is a simple case of an extremely low tolerance for risk and low standards for rewards.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Germany: A solo isn't at hand, but it's also not out of the question. A solo quite often isn't that telegraphable at this stage and only comes out through continued playing. Your odds are low at the moment, France's are up, and Italy and Austria's are mid. There's very easy ways to test the waters further and they're being ignored. Perhaps your right that France would be eliminated, but that's only because of the player in the seat not the cards he's holding.
29 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: I've played enough games to know a lost cause game when i see one, this is not even close to that category.
01 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Come on guys let's play fast and end this.
01 Mar 16 UTC Autumn, 1909: Nothing we can do until the retreat is finalized.
02 Mar 16 UTC I have my draw vote entered.
02 Mar 16 UTC At least we got some hustle out of the game before ending. Kudos Austria.
02 Mar 16 UTC Well played folks. Thanks for a game long alliance Jefe -- nice when Italy/Austria don't fall to temptation along the way.
02 Mar 16 UTC I had a feeling the was Steamy.
02 Mar 16 UTC We'll played Austria!
02 Mar 16 UTC Good game all. Good to be your ally, Austria! :)

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Austria
Creigh (2790 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 105 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
France
Steamy Nicks (2236 D)
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 105 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Germany
Stevelers (3084 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 105 D
8 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
Jefe (42 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 60 D, won: 105 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
England
VillageIdiot (6818 D)
Defeated. Bet: 60 D
Turkey
taipan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 60 D
Russia
Werner (1663 D)
Defeated. Bet: 60 D
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