Finished: 08 AM Thu 08 Dec 16 UTC
United Nations (Special Rules!)
10 days /phase
Pot: 196 D - Spring, 2008, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:and Russia i never claimed that the world is just the USA and its election. and i know a lot of people dont care about my opinion. so whats your point?
01 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Oz]:As someone else from America, Quebec's opinions on the current state of the world, his/her ability to spell words, and general knowledge levels deeply concern me.

The U.S. does pay back it's debts to both foreign powers and private citizens. This has no relationship with the military.
The Government already manages education policies at the university level.
A 'collage' is a collection of pictures.
Comparing annual spending, college spending over 4 years, and arbitrary statistical assumptions is absurd.

Quebec, your logic is flawed and you use statistics completely out of context as absurd justifications for your beliefs. The spending of the U.S. on military expenses is absurd in terms of scale compared to the global spending levels for military levels. If you think the government is so bad at managing things like healthcare or college, why does that same logic not extend to the military? Is an absurdly large military power with continuous foreign wars more important than preventative healthcare? Is it more important than education? (Which by the way, you should look into getting some for yourself instead of regurgitating whatever echo-chamber you listen to).

You cannot equate annual spending in the military to spending over 4 years of college. Those are different bases for units. You should also use real estimates instead of random crap. A quick google search shows, "In fall 2016, some 20.5 million students are expected to attend American colleges and universities, constituting an increase of about 5.2 million since fall 2000." Another quick search shows, "According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2015–2016 school year was $32,405 at private colleges, $9,410 for state residents at public colleges, and $23,893 for out-of-state residents attending public universities." That would equate to $193B for in-state tuition. Which is substantive, but significantly less than your estimate of $477B, and would only equate to 31% of the military budget, a more than reasonable decrease in budgetary expenditures without even shifting the balance of power if that is important to you. That is without increasing taxes or allocating resources from other groups.

Rich people pay more of the total taxes because they earn more, and taxes are paid based as a proportional allotment. However, most statistics show that the supremely wealthy actually pay a lower marginal rate on their earnings than those below them due to absurd tax codes and deductions. Since you appear to support Trump, consider that he likely pays an effective tax rate of zero, or near zero. Tax rates on the wealthy are also at a very low historical level. In the past, they have approached marginal tax rates of 90% on earnings above very high levels (think mega-wealthy), and those times correlate with some of the best economic prosperity of the U.S.
01 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Western-Canada]:The easiest way to describe most people's reaction to the possibility of a Trump victory: It would be a remake of Idiocracy with Trump playing President Camacho.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [India]:Interestingly, the federal income tax was popular when it was introduced over 100 years ago. At the time it only impacted the ultra-wealthy. Now things appear to have been turned on their collective head.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:well in the constitution the founders give power to the gov to control the military specifically while it dosn't give specific power to countrol education. also your math is a little off as well OZ in fact my math was closer. if all those 20.5 million went to the state collage and it cost $9410 per year per student (and that insn't including books and other food the collage would have to provide and all that kind of stuff) that would equal $37640 per student for a 4 year degree which means that it would be even more then i predicted it would be $771,620,000,000 total. so apparently my "guesses" where a little closer then your "facts." and as for the idea that during those 90% years where the best in the economy if i remember correctly Ronald Regan cut it hat number down a lot and the then the economy grew in huge amounts and then he won re-election in a huge landslide (basically 49 states to 1 (and Washington D.C.).
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Oz]:You are comparing the cost over 4 years - to the cost of a single year's expenditures. If so, the military budget should also be multiplied by 4.

This is interesting to peruse.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:well if 20.5 million students entire collage each year and then those students will still be in collage while another 20.5 million enter the next year and then again until those original 20.5 million get out. that means after 4 years 82 million students would be in collage and the government is not ready and prepared to take on that many students. and if, like you said, the number of students entering collage is increasing then the numbers that i said would be even more. so free collage is not plausible.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [South-Africa]:Free college =/= everybody going to college. Free college means that those who get in can actually afford to go. Will it make more people go to college? Yes. It will also promote economic growth and therefore taxes because those people will be able to contribute more to the economy without student loans and with the addition of a college degree.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Oz]:college*.

Also, it's not 20.5 million new every year, that is the total enrollment levels of freshmen through seniors. I am impressed by your ability to misinterpret statistics and do basic math incorrectly to confirm your own biases. And the evidence from other nations clearly suggests that free college is entirely plausible because they are already doing it.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:also "Sooner or later this “free” higher education will feel less and less free as increasing taxes will likely drive the most educated, highest earning, most able Germans away from Germany and into societies where they can take home a greater percentage of their pay. This will then reduce the tax cache and start to decrease the deficit more than the added tax revenues from a more professional society will add to them." according to Forbes
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:and also think about this. "The United States has seen the rise of the five year degree. Of the 60% of students who graduate from public schools in the U.S., over half take longer than four years to graduate. Compare that with private institutions (there are natural differences in students at each type of school that pay a role) which see 80 percent of its graduates out in four years. Their sensitivity to the marginal cost of that fifth or sixth year factors into their decision to consume.

If everyone decided to take an extra year to graduate, because it was free, the burden of higher education on the public coffers would increase by 33% (if they took four as opposed to the European norm of three years to finish). Graduation rates are already a problem in Germany, which is known for its “Dauerstudenten” or “eternal students.” As The Local reports, German students fail to graduate on time, and the average graduation age (following master’s degree) is around 28 years old."
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:so you keep on referencing Germany as a big success story but unfortunately it isn't as great as you make it out to be.
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:also we have tried a free collage system for a time according to WSJ "Eighteen-year-old Bernie Sanders didn’t pay tuition for his freshman year at Brooklyn College in 1959, nor did another 8,000 undergraduates.

New York City’s public colleges didn’t charge tuition back then for students who attended full-time during the day. Students at University of California campuses and a number of other colleges around the country had a similar deal back then. Although free tuition helped tens of thousands of working-class students afford bachelor degrees, the policy was eventually scrapped as costs escalated."
02 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Quebec]:and that was on a small scale where not many people even went to collage back then. and if that cost to much with just 8,000 people then how in the world would we ever afford to make collage free for millions of people.
04 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Russia]:WOuhOU Ghana did enter a move: I love you Ghana.
04 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [India]:I heart Ghana!
05 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [South-Africa]:Now we wait for Brazil. *Jeopardy theme*
06 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [Oz]:This game has been so unbalanced from people not moving because the phases take so long. It totally changes the dynamics. Half of my just wants to surrender all my territory and leave the game because it is taking so long and it's my only active game remaining.
06 Nov 16 UTC Spring, 2007: [South-Africa]:I have this one and a 3 day phase ancient med one. I only come on once every 3 days or so to make my move. Its even worse for me because I have a brand new computer I play on that doesnt connect to the wifi so I have to change computers for this lol
07 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:Praise be the lord it's another phase
07 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:By the way I've both voted pause and draw
07 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [India]:I am set to draw, but I will not set to pause. I mean, really, Our heart monitor is slow enough, don't you think? Do we need a hit of curare to slow that ticker down just a tad?
07 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:Fair enough. I think I voted pause so everybody could vote. Voting pause is an indicator of your draw vote too I guess
07 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:Also I think I meant to say cancel lol
09 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Quebec]:well, Trump won
09 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:Yup. RIP America. At least my state legalized weed so we can ignore it for the next 4 years. GOP has nobody to scapegoat for a shitty economy though
09 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Quebec]:well this bad economy has come though Obama so yes i think we do have someone to blame.
09 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Russia]:Look guys, all medias are full of this crap, can't we find some more interesting topic to debate while waiting for Brazil to enter moves?
09 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Quebec]:like what Russia?
10 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [South-Africa]:Lets talk about how stoned everybody in MA and CA are going to get for the next 4 years
13 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [India]:I'm back. Had a coference in Singapore that really took my focus.
23 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [India]:I thought I might have missed a turn but then I realized, hey, its still November. I'm good through Thanksgiving.
23 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Russia]:Lol, I was flying through Singapore yesterday, maybe we met without knowing we are on the same diplomacy game.
This rythme is very healthy for players with cardiac issues!
27 Nov 16 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Western-Canada]:Hooray. We can have a quick turn this time, without Brazil and Ghana involved.
27 Nov 16 UTC [Oz]:That was so fast. Where are we on the draw negotiations? How long are we going to play it out?
28 Nov 16 UTC [Russia]:I was the last one holding the Draw. Gg survivors of this marathon :)
28 Nov 16 UTC [Western-Canada]:I'm surprised. After all this time, I thought you'd have waited until USA and Brazil were gone.
28 Nov 16 UTC [Russia]:Could have but with a NMR country, it's not really fun.
28 Nov 16 UTC [South-Africa]:Ay gg
28 Nov 16 UTC [India]:Well done, people.
28 Nov 16 UTC [USA]:Gg
28 Nov 16 UTC [Oz]:GG everyone.
28 Nov 16 UTC [Oz]:Especially the ones that played the game from the start.
28 Nov 16 UTC [Russia]:3 of us did survived this... How long was it?
03 Dec 16 UTC [India]:Hmmm .... It was long before the campaign season for the presidential election.
03 Dec 16 UTC [South-Africa]:Shit man thats a long time... I think I started this game in mid 2015 actually. I think it was the start of last school year, maybe September 2015?
03 Dec 16 UTC [South-Africa]:Actually checking chat logs it was exactly a year ago: December 2 2015 was the first chat message
04 Dec 16 UTC [India]:Would any one of us predicted the Presidential election? How about Brexit, or Austria's election going on as I type? Or Italy's referendum possibly leading to an EU exit?
What a difference a year makes.
04 Dec 16 UTC [Russia]:And all the dead singers, and world famous figures?

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Krakenator (1087 D)
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sabo700 (164 D)
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Ruud (100 D)Western-Canada (Spring, 2005) with 9 centres.
Masada (100 D)Europe (Spring, 2002) with 1 centres.
KingOfWatchestan (305 D)Kenya (Spring, 2001) with 4 centres.
KingCyrus (512 D)USA (Spring, 2001) with 4 centres.
jarehole (100 D)China (Autumn, 2001) with 2 centres.
360jive (100 D)Frozen-Antarctica (Autumn, 2002) with 2 centres.
Burnyourwings (100 D)Near-East (Spring, 2001) with 5 centres.
Firefly54 (35 D X)Oz (Spring, 2002) with 5 centres.
aha195 (1687 D)Libya (Autumn, 2004) with 4 centres.
castor troy (100 D)Ghana (Spring, 2006) with 6 centres.
steelers43 (100 D)China (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
fadgyasb (205 D)Brazil (Autumn, 2006) with 9 centres.
Argento77 (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2001) with 4 centres.
BLACKMAN (35 D X)Near-East (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
BuddAdmirer (114 D)Frozen-Antarctica (Spring, 2001) with 3 centres.
sabo700 (164 D)Ghana (Autumn, 2007) with 0 centres.
KingRichard (100 D)Near-East (Spring, 2003) with 4 centres.
chairmanMayo (100 D)Kenya (Autumn, 2002) with 1 centres.
Belac (100 D)USA (Autumn, 2002) with 4 centres.
Maxim (100 D)Oz (Autumn, 2004) with 8 centres.
carleyyypoteet (100 D)Quebec (Spring, 2003) with 4 centres.
Frize (73 D)Kenya (Spring, 2003) with 1 centres.
tanquito45 (100 D)Kenya (Spring, 2004) with 1 centres.
SebastianB (100 D)Libya (Autumn, 2006) with 0 centres.
nmk (100 D)Oz (Autumn, 2005) with 8 centres.
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