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Finished: 05 PM Wed 27 May 15 UTC
The Art of Politics and War
1 day /phase
Pot: 350 D - Spring, 1905, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: I decree that Bulgaria shall be Turkish in 1901!
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: (this could be a nice new variant, where all moves are voted on by majority in the public chat. makes your cases, make your cases!)
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Iceland, going once!
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Austria claims Switzerland for the ArchDuke! Much safer than Sarajevo.
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Claiming all of Europe!!
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: I vote No to Russia's request.
14 May 15 UTC Spring, 1901: aww :(
15 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Is it worth agreeing to ready up on retreat and build phases? Would anyone be against that?
15 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Agreed, though life occasionally does intervene.
15 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Completely understandable, just wanted to suggest it as a general rule as and when we can.
15 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Agreed as a desired outcome.
16 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: Great...
16 May 15 UTC Spring, 1902: Peace by Christmas?
17 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: :(
20 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Does anyone want to get off the merry-go-round?
20 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Ha! Two step steps to the left, now Charlie Brown. Cha, cha, cha.
22 May 15 UTC Spring, 1904: It'll be lonely this Christmas without you to hold...
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: My draw vote is up.

It's been a fun game.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: And nice chatting with you all.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I too have voted draw. Let's end.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I don't know, I think a pie divided into 4, or 3 pieces, would taste much better.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Alright, let's take out Italy?
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: If you're insinuating cutting me from the pie Italy, I deserve my place in a draw as much as anyone: you or Austria, sorry to say, could just as easily (if not more so) be cut out from our pie.

Especially if you're the one demanding one of us be squeezed out.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: If I happen to be the one to go, so be it. I won't run with my tail between my legs as soon as plans seem to stop going the way I hoped. We're not playing with bit coins, for crying out loud, where's your competitive spirit gone?

RR90%. My draw vote stays down.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: You're crying out loud and asking about competitive spirit...the Italy-Austrian-Turkey unbreakable alliance where Italy has left himself entirely open to both Turkey and Austria who will not stab him? And you're criticising us about competitiveness? Please.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Look in the mirror.

RR90% is as much about sportsmanship as any other expectation you might personally have had.

If you want to spend another 7 days slowly cutting 1 person out of a game that has clearly evolved to a draw (when me and England are at our stalemate lines), because of your unbreakable alliance, then that says more about you than anyone else.

Everyone's had fun, I think most people are happy to call it at that.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: That's just my opinion though, I think it stops being fun when it turns petty. For an extra 17 points.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm ok with a draw, but I don't think it's unsportsmanlike to pursue a victory.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I agree with you Turkey, but a victory is very different to slowly cutting someone out of a draw for the sake of a couple more points.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: And I say that purely to Italy's response to England's draw vote, saying "I think a pie divided into 4, or 3 pieces, would taste much better."
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I think that's the definition of pursuing a victory, right? You keep cutting people out of the draw until it's just you.

It starts as removing you, and then someone makes nice with England, and then some one gets thrown under the bus, then the more central power gets squeezed, and then England and I race to 18 SC.

I don't mind a draw, because while I think the southern alliance has the advantage in both SC and location, this is going to be a tactical grind. I'll pull my weight for our side if that's route my alliance goes.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I've submitted a draw, and will keep playing until all parties enter a draw.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Cutting our pie into less pieces implies any one of the 5 countries currently present (including Italy) has an equal chance of being thrown out.

How about we give ourselves until the end of '06 to see if something spicy brings life back into the game? I'll happily draw once we've proven a stalemate line can't be broken.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: 9+7=16 so even if Germany gives all their SCs to England, it's not a solo. So with no obvious solo threat, I say we see what happens. If there's no cracking this nut, then yes, a draw is fine, but really, a 5-way draw in 1904 with 24 hour phases? It just doesn't seem right.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: What a hypocritical question; break up your 3-way alliance of a 5-way draw bothers you so much.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm not saying don't play on; merely that playing on for the sole purpose of reducing a draw by 1 number is petty.

I'd be equally non-plussed if Italy and Turkey held the line against me and England and then made us wait for a week while they slowly removed Austria from the game.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hahahaha. Funny. You'd love that scenario since it isn't possible to hold the line and eliminate Austria.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: It really was just an example. I'm still a human being behind my german mask; not some Machiavelli monster.

I'm not in any way against playing on if there's more fun to be had :)
I only voiced up at the previous suggestion because it's been a fun game and a draw is a draw (it seems only Italy is really upset about his solo shot?), whether it's 4 or 5; and I haven't really had this kind of reduce-the-draw-for-more-points situation in face to face games that I'm used to.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: It just seems a little petty to me (and the argument has been hypocritical up to now), but it's the last time I'll make the point.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Playing devils advocate... The whole point is removing people from that draw. Why wait until France and Russia are defeated to agree to draw? Some people think the perfect diplomacy game ends in a 7 way draw, but that would suck.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: And I seem to recall that you were trying to break the southern alliance diplomatically as recently as 2 turns ago. Are you saying that breaking the draw diploamtically is alright, but not with steel?
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Calm down, Turkey. You know I wasn't suggesting anything like that.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Really? You weren't trying to breakup the southern alliance. Here, let me refresh your memory...
"Anyway, it makes absolute sense for us to work together. Punch in to a neighbour now and let's 3-way this. I won't let England solo but he will if you let the other 2 attack me and you do nothing, while England's free to mop up everything in his wake."
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: your words were a draw is a draw, after you previously tried to engineer a smaller draw.
25 May 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Gentlemen, let's turn it down a notch. How about we talk it over in a nice Bavarian garden while eating some delicious Sauerkraut and Frankfurters? Our treat, Germany.
26 May 15 UTC Looking at the map, and assuming competence on everyone's part, I think a draw is the best course. I think we'll make some progress, but kudos to Germany and England, I think they've got a solid stalemate line themselves.
26 May 15 UTC Well, it seems early, but agreed, unless someone breaks an alliance - and it would be suidicde for anyo of the southern states to do so...I guess a draw is whats going to happen.
26 May 15 UTC Good game all ...it was really fun chatting and playing with you all !
26 May 15 UTC This one was fun. No CD, good play. Wish I'd had the chance to stab Italy so it could have gotten even more interesting *GRIN*
26 May 15 UTC That would've added quite a twist my friend!

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Germany
wjessop (100 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 70 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
England
JaimeR (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 70 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
colombiche (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 70 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Austria
jbalcorn (429 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 70 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Turkey
Hapapop (725 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 70 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
France
Luke Miller (4629 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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